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The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

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I think that the CCP:

Is right about everything
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4%
Is more often right than wrong
71
10%
Is more often wrong than right
359
52%
Is always in the wrong
230
33%
 
Total votes : 689

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Islamic Holy Sites
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:50 am

Winnie Xi wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Have you heard of the torture?

China doesn't have the torture.

Proof? Also 1/10 Uyghurs are in 're-education camps'. Wow, not a genocide. *sarcasm*
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Postby New Jacobland » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:51 am

Laurenthea wrote:The Chinese people and culture are just as good and respectable as any other people of the world. The CCP, however, is not. I do appreciate the work they did in uplifting millions from poverty in China, but it has come at a very great cost, the cost of people's basic liberties and freedoms. I strongly condemn the CCP's actions in Xinjiang, and hope the people of China realise what great damage the party is doing to them, their international image, and global peace as a whole.

This ^^
I have nothing against China, their people, their culture etc.
It is just their Government, which actually started out with noble intentions, is terrible.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:52 am

New Jacobland wrote:
Laurenthea wrote:The Chinese people and culture are just as good and respectable as any other people of the world. The CCP, however, is not. I do appreciate the work they did in uplifting millions from poverty in China, but it has come at a very great cost, the cost of people's basic liberties and freedoms. I strongly condemn the CCP's actions in Xinjiang, and hope the people of China realise what great damage the party is doing to them, their international image, and global peace as a whole.

This ^^
I have nothing against China, their people, their culture etc.
It is just their Government, which actually started out with noble intentions, is terrible.

Exactly.
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Postby Sannyamathland » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:03 am

Things like 'basic liberty' or 'human rights' are the least important when there are literally millions of hungry people in your country. The CCP's role in pulling almost half of it's population from poverty is absolutely commendable, no matter what you say. Moreover, China was the first nation to stop the spread of Covid-19 virus, effectively preventing it from causing much damage. The CCP is an efficient party, no doubt, and their decisions are more correct than wrong. Honestly, I am more than happy to live in a country without YouTube(although they have their own version of YouTube) if the government guarantees me free healthcare and education.
Although there are some aspects of the CCP that even I consider to be a bit too extreme and draconian. The One Child Policy is one of them. The ban on Winnie the Pooh being the other(lol). Overall, I believe that inspite of having some faults, the CCP is a capable party, and I have no harm in accepting this.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:06 am

Sannyamathland wrote:Things like 'basic liberty' or 'human rights' are the least important when there are literally millions of hungry people in your country. The CCP's role in pulling almost half of it's population from poverty is absolutely commendable, no matter what you say. Moreover, China was the first nation to stop the spread of Covid-19 virus, effectively preventing it from causing much damage. The CCP is an efficient party, no doubt, and their decisions are more correct than wrong. Honestly, I am more than happy to live in a country without YouTube(although they have their own version of YouTube) if the government guarantees me free healthcare and education.
Although there are some aspects of the CCP that even I consider to be a bit too extreme and draconian. The One Child Policy is one of them. The ban on Winnie the Pooh being the other(lol). Overall, I believe that inspite of having some faults, the CCP is a capable party, and I have no harm in accepting this.

How about YouTube AND free healthcare + education? Also just because you save half your population doesn't mean you oppress the minorities. And 'human rights' MATTER.
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Postby Sannyamathland » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:11 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Sannyamathland wrote:Things like 'basic liberty' or 'human rights' are the least important when there are literally millions of hungry people in your country. The CCP's role in pulling almost half of it's population from poverty is absolutely commendable, no matter what you say. Moreover, China was the first nation to stop the spread of Covid-19 virus, effectively preventing it from causing much damage. The CCP is an efficient party, no doubt, and their decisions are more correct than wrong. Honestly, I am more than happy to live in a country without YouTube(although they have their own version of YouTube) if the government guarantees me free healthcare and education.
Although there are some aspects of the CCP that even I consider to be a bit too extreme and draconian. The One Child Policy is one of them. The ban on Winnie the Pooh being the other(lol). Overall, I believe that inspite of having some faults, the CCP is a capable party, and I have no harm in accepting this.

How about YouTube AND free healthcare + education? Also just because you save half your population doesn't mean you oppress the minorities. And 'human rights' MATTER.

Well I won't say anything 'bout the minority thing. Last time I did, it didn't ended well. Nevertheless, sorry but I would like to contradict your last statement. When you haven't eaten anything for 2 days and are also without a roof over your head, human rights are a luxury. In such a condition, human rights DO NOT matter. And YouTube+free healthcare and education is not possible.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 am

Sannyamathland wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:How about YouTube AND free healthcare + education? Also just because you save half your population doesn't mean you oppress the minorities. And 'human rights' MATTER.

Well I won't say anything 'bout the minority thing. Last time I did, it didn't ended well. Nevertheless, sorry but I would like to contradict your last statement. When you haven't eaten anything for 2 days and are also without a roof over your head, human rights are a luxury. In such a condition, human rights DO NOT matter.

When you get a roof above your head and food, you still wouldn't be happy if someone told you to hop into a concentration camp.
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Postby China Tech » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Winnie Xi wrote:China doesn't have the torture.

Proof? Also 1/10 Uyghurs are in 're-education camps'. Wow, not a genocide. *sarcasm*

China has torture.

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 am

China Tech wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Proof? Also 1/10 Uyghurs are in 're-education camps'. Wow, not a genocide. *sarcasm*

China has torture.

That was what I was trying to say.
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Postby China Tech » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 am


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Postby Winnie Xi » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:32 am

China Tech wrote:

Is this good?

It is really good, CCP is good.

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:33 am

Winnie Xi wrote:
China Tech wrote:Is this good?

It is really good, CCP is good.

Proof please? Also I can't see that video, YouTube block.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:36 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Winnie Xi wrote:It is really good, CCP is good.

Proof please? Also I can't see that video, YouTube block.

It's some kind of propaganda video with a choir.

It doesn't answer -- from what I can see -- anything about the concentration camps for the Uighurs, etc. Just a generic choral video.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:38 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Proof please? Also I can't see that video, YouTube block.

It's some kind of propaganda video with a choir.

What does it say?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:39 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:It's some kind of propaganda video with a choir.

What does it say?

No idea. I don't speak Mandarin and I wasn't going to sit through five minutes of it to try and figure it out.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:41 am

Superior music coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCMI0uKbBE
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:41 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:What does it say?

No idea. I don't speak Mandarin and I wasn't going to sit through five minutes of it to try and figure it out.

Ah. What's the point of sending the video then? Well I'm still waiting for Winnie's proof.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:09 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:because China is not western, and for many, their "anti-imperialism" really means anti-West.

Who says we don't sympathise with them?

Some do, but many don't.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:03 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Who says we don't sympathise with them?

Some do, but many don't.

Or many do and some don't. You don't have actual figures to give me, do you?
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Postby Casabo » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:08 am

I disapprove of the Chinese Communist Party. I'm a communist and I think that in the 21st century, communism MUST change to difference from other times. That is, more democracy, no planned economy, no single party, more media, no censorship...

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:49 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Winnie Xi wrote:China doesn't have the torture.

Proof? Also 1/10 Uyghurs are in 're-education camps'. Wow, not a genocide. *sarcasm*

I believe they're being satirical.

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Postby Miku the Based » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:31 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

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Postby Raioge » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:04 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi VI wrote:
China Tech wrote:China has torture.

So China is suck. Fuck ROC and PRC.

Republic of China isn't suck.

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Poor motherland chapter1

Postby Raioge » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:01 am

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:05 am

Raioge wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi VI wrote:So China is suck. Fuck ROC and PRC.

Republic of China isn't suck.

It is better than the PRC. Much better. But honestly I think they won't ever be able to take back the mainland.
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