The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

[Picairn]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

How are the Kuomintang terrorists? Do you know they were the first party established shortly after the 1911 Revolution by Dr. SUN YAT-SEN himself, you know, the same man that the CCP praises as the "Forerunner to the Revolution"?

Same as with Hong Kong, fortunately they have put down the CIA/NATOid insurrectionists.

Evidence? Or did you read that from r/Sino, the Reddit propaganda arm of the CCP? Man, I wish the CIA were actually as powerful as tankies say.

The """""genocide"""""" in Xinjiang is only real in the minds of those who are the political equivalent of drainage sewer hobos that are are all the assorted neocons, liberal interventionists and Sinophobes foaming at the mouth at this near-pornographic fetish for a war with China.

Xinjiang genocide denial has been repeatedly debunked, whether by the ICIJ, the New York Times, Darren Byler, a leftist, or The freaking Intercept, etc.

Rooting out separatist elements from among the local population is not genocide.

And the War on Terror only kills terrorists. Lmao.

Thank you all for attending my TEDx talk.

More like a Greyzone talk.

[Conklandi]

The CCP is wrong.

It has overseen systematic destruction of Uighur dignity and culture via "reeducation camps", which have credible reports of rape, abuse and human rights violations on 1 million people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071

Now, I can hear the potential rebuttals to this:

"This is false. Western media has fabricated everything in order to make China look bad."

Well, there are a couple of problems that this has:

1. If this is an attempt to make the CCP look bad, why did the same media organizations publish articles about events that would make the "Western World" look bad?

One example is the NSA leaks that had shown that US departments had collaborated with European governments to create a global surveillance program.

Now if the leak happened in an autocratic nation, the whistleblower would have disappeared from society and everything they said would have been declared false.

However, despite the American government attempting to prosecute Edward Snowden, many media outlets had published stories on it.

This is an example that shows that despite how tentative press freedom is, governments tend to respect it.

This is shown by many Western countries having laws that entitle freedom of expression (e.g. The European Convention).

In contrast, it has been stated

That is one objection I have to the arguments presented for it.

If anyone would like to give criticism about my argument, I would be happy to listen to it.

[Soggastan]

remember that time china declared war on sparrows?

[Rusozak]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

Same as with Hong Kong, fortunately they have put down the CIA/NATOid insurrectionists.

The """""genocide"""""" in Xinjiang is only real in the minds of those who are the political equivalent of drainage sewer hobos that are are all the assorted neocons, liberal interventionists and Sinophobes foaming at the mouth at this near-pornographic fetish for a war with China.

Rooting out separatist elements from among the local population is not genocide.

Thank you all for attending my TEDx talk.

(Actionable part underlined for emphasis.)
Given your history I suggest you take the *** three days off for trolling *** I am issuing you to read, review, and reflect on the Rules. Any appeals can be made through GHR.

Thanks!
NVI

Thanks NVI!

[Raioge]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

Qassadia likes CCP.

[Sparanoda]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

"Poverty has decrease immensely in China..." yeah because they set the poverty line so low. That is like saying a place has very little crime, but it is because there are very few laws.

"Strategic worldview..." ...of eventual global domination? Yay?

" some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive." More than "a bit excessive;" they want total control, and they are on the path to it.

Are tryanna write propaganda for China or something? Or were you just lying about the "this is not a flaming or trolling attempt"?

[Raioge]

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

That's too bad. In 10/1/2020, Ouyang-Nana, Ouyang-Long's daughter. Ouyang-Long is KMT. But his daughter celebrated PRC National Day. Oh, no!
KMT is be hacked by CCP!
Chiang-Kai-Shek:What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Conklandi]

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

That's too bad. In 10/1/2020, Ouyang-Nana, Ouyang-Long's daughter. Ouyang-Long is KMT. But his daughter celebrated PRC National Day. Oh, no!
KMT is be hacked by CCP!
Chiang-Kai-Shek:What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is this?

[Kubra]

Taiwan is not a real country, but a rebellious province under the control of "Kuomintang" terrorists. It doesn't matter for many decades or centuries they'll hypothetically rule over it.

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

Technically speaking, Taiwan lays claim to the entire mainland. Not necessarily of their own accord, if Taiwan drops those claims they're saying Taiwan is a separate country, which Beijing would not take kindly to.

[Kubra]

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

the funny thing is Mao's ghost is looking at modern China and saying "no no no, this isn't right at all!" But Chiang is looking at it and going "yo this slaps, I shoulda been a communist all along"

[Punished UMN]

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

That's not how international law and sovereignty work. The PRC is evil, but it is absolutely the legal government of mainland China. It would be willy to deny history by doing legalistic obscurantism.

[National Capitalist United States]

This again. How can a land that has never been under the PRC's control with a government that has never had any association with the PRC be a rebellious province? What kind of Anschluss imperialist logic is this that land you covet but don't own is a "rebelling territory"?

Qassadia likes CCP.

More like ''Qassadia faps to the CCP"

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No one can get everything wrong. Stopped clock and all of that.

But the CCP puts Muslims in camps, is the biggest world wide polluter, have very little gay rights, jails any pro democracy protesters, and generally be a shitty group of people.

They also are way too capitalistic to be commie so they aint commie.

The only reason why I don't want to invade and let Taiwan liberate the mainland is beacuse nukes would fuck everything up.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Quite possibly their policies and tighter grip on things like social media and internal discipline will allow the country to cope better with the challenges of this century than the West as it stands. If this transpires then there may be a utilitarian argument that their way of doing things was superior to ours. I'm not sure I'd like to live under it, and I rather hope that we manage to find a path to something more functional than our current system and less inhumane than theirs.

[-Ocelot-]

remember that time china declared war on sparrows?

And the sparrows won.

This answers the question "The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?" for me.

[The Remote Islands]

Smh...none of this CCP stuff would have happened if the German Empire had given more support to the KMT's forces.

remember that time china declared war on sparrows?

And the sparrows won.

This answers the question "The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?" for me.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Smh...none of this CCP stuff would have happened if the German Empire had given more support to the KMT's forces.

And the sparrows won.

This answers the question "The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?" for me.

Actually this wouldn't have happened if America intelligence knew about how bad shit was for the Chinese Nationalists.

Or if Ichi-Go never happned.

[Krasny-Volny]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

The Red Chinese armed and trained an insurgency in my family''s home country which killed thousands of people. They tried to strong-arm my mother into becoming a Maoist. They tried to murder my father. Twice.

Yep, not a big fan. I voluntarily boycott things marked "made in China" for these personal reasons and others. How many people died during Chairman Mao's great purges? Here's a more recent example: Tiananmen square. I love the Chinese people and the ancient Chinese civilization is one to be respected, but I absolutely despise their government.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

If anything the CCP is the rebellious terrorist organization currently illegally occupying Mainland China. The ROC never renounced it's claim on the mainland. Long Live the True, Free China in Taiwan.

Also he apparently isn't aware that the Kuomintang don't even control the ROC anymore and are now pro-CCP shills.

That's not how international law and sovereignty work. The PRC is evil, but it is absolutely the legal government of mainland China. It would be willy to deny history by doing legalistic obscurantism.

The PRC is the legal, internationally recognized, legitimate government of China and has been so since the '70s, which is also around the same time international law started to be weaponized by dictators, Islamists, and leftist bigots alike to isolate and single out Israel for decades. This is why international law is a joke and the UN can go fuck itself. What has the UN ever done for Hong Kong, ethnic Uighurs, Rohingya, Tibetans, or the Chinese people, or LGBT people in Chechnya and Uganda? Fuck all.

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

The Red Chinese armed and trained an insurgency in my family''s home country which killed thousands of people. They tried to strong-arm my mother into becoming a Maoist. They tried to murder my father. Twice.

Yep, not a big fan. I voluntarily boycott things marked "made in China" for these personal reasons and others. How many people died during Chairman Mao's great purges? Here's a more recent example: Tiananmen square. I love the Chinese people and the ancient Chinese civilization is one to be respected, but I absolutely despise their government.

You have my utmost sympathies. The CCP is beyond redemption. Are you Nepalese by any chance?

[National Capitalist United States]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

The Red Chinese armed and trained an insurgency in my family''s home country which killed thousands of people. They tried to strong-arm my mother into becoming a Maoist. They tried to murder my father. Twice.

Yep, not a big fan. I voluntarily boycott things marked "made in China" for these personal reasons and others. How many people died during Chairman Mao's great purges? Here's a more recent example: Tiananmen square. I love the Chinese people and the ancient Chinese civilization is one to be respected, but I absolutely despise their government.

"tHaT's CiA pRoPaGaNdA yOu WeStErN iMpErIaLiSt!!!!1!"

[Raioge]

That's too bad. In 10/1/2020, Ouyang-Nana, Ouyang-Long's daughter. Ouyang-Long is KMT. But his daughter celebrated PRC National Day. Oh, no!
KMT is be hacked by CCP!
Chiang-Kai-Shek:What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is this?

https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/news/%E6%AD% ... B%E5%94%B1

[American Pere Housh]

Never liked the CCP at all.

[Raioge]

現在南京標準時間/台北標準時間GMT+08:00
大陸淪陷26000天
讓我們為死去的同胞悲哀
Now Nanjing Standard Time/Taipei Standard Time GMT + 08:00
The mainland fell to CCP for 26,000 days
Let us mourn for our dead compatriots
Сейчас Стандартное время Нанкина / Стандартное время Тайбэя GMT + 08:00
Материк попал под власть КПК на 26000 дней.
Будем оплакивать наших погибших соотечественников