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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:33 pm

This gang and its leader are the worst problem in the US today.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:52 pm

Most gangs are a byproduct of our unsustainable socioeconomic system, so while they can be a problem they're really just a symptom of a larger systemic issue.

With that being said, cops are arguably a gang in their own respect. I'd argue the police are the worst gang there is.
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Postby Astral Traveller » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:10 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Most gangs are a byproduct of our unsustainable socioeconomic system, so while they can be a problem they're really just a symptom of a larger systemic issue.

With that being said, cops are arguably a gang in their own respect. I'd argue the police are the worst gang there is.

How are cops a gang, the worst one even, if they're executing the governmental laws, which serve the public interest? Granted we talk about a government that upholds human rights, of course.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:26 pm

Astral Traveller wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Most gangs are a byproduct of our unsustainable socioeconomic system, so while they can be a problem they're really just a symptom of a larger systemic issue.

With that being said, cops are arguably a gang in their own respect. I'd argue the police are the worst gang there is.

How are cops a gang, the worst one even, if they're executing the governmental laws, which serve the public interest? Granted we talk about a government that upholds human rights, of course.


Because, in the US at least, police forces were not set up to fight crime but to control minorities and workers and to socialize the expense of protecting the property and wealth of the capitalists.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:41 pm

Astral Traveller wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Most gangs are a byproduct of our unsustainable socioeconomic system, so while they can be a problem they're really just a symptom of a larger systemic issue.

With that being said, cops are arguably a gang in their own respect. I'd argue the police are the worst gang there is.

How are cops a gang, the worst one even, if they're executing the governmental laws, which serve the public interest?

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:58 pm

Gangs ultimately are what happens when society fails enough that it can no longer maintain the monopoly of force.

There's a reason why gangs can only function in areas where the "Law" fails and that's not just because gangs do illegal stuff but it's because the law has failed in those areas, and where the laws fail, gang law takes it's place.

Because there must always be some form of order simply to make society function, gangs serve to bring order to the criminal aspect of society.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:39 pm

All I’ve seen about them, in media, paints them as problematic and dangerous. Not just to communities but also to those involved.
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Postby Astral Traveller » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:11 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Astral Traveller wrote:How are cops a gang, the worst one even, if they're executing the governmental laws, which serve the public interest? Granted we talk about a government that upholds human rights, of course.


Because, in the US at least, police forces were not set up to fight crime but to control minorities and workers and to socialize the expense of protecting the property and wealth of the capitalists.

The primary article does not state that the police force has been founded with the intent to control minorities and workers. Quoted from the article, in the first phrase;

It has long been observed that police departments can function to reinforce racial and class inequality.[1] Regardless of whether their creators intended that organized police departments have this effect, this has sometimes been the result through selective enforcement of laws and brutal interrogation tactics.


Nowhere does it state that it has been founded with the intention of being a gang to control minorities. Police force serves the public good by definition, however, corruption is a probability.
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