More Americans Identify as LGBT than ever before

[Bosardia]

People die for freedom and other causes all the time. Yes, we can be thankful to those who did fight in wars and such, but I don't see why they should get to dictate societal morals and norms. The elderly need to respect others as much as we need to respect them. If they can't accept me and the way I am, then sadly I will not be able to respect them to the fullest extent either.

Young people have very little influence on the elderly anyway (unless they're relatives). You should be a bit sensitive though because some of those elderly people have been gay all their lives, but never expressed it because the generation they're still in would mock them or ostracize them (or worse). It's up to them and their generation to work that out, but we should NEVER assume there are no elderly gay people, because it would be hurtful to those who do exist, AND it plays into the homophobic narrative that being gay is a modern "lifestyle choice" or a creature of culture.

I never said there were no elderly gay people, you misunderstood what I said. What I referred to is that elderly people don't deserve respect automatically just because they lived up to a specific age. Sure, I am thankful for those elderly people that fought in the war, yet if those elderly will fail to show me respect because of a specific viewpoint they have, then sadly they lose my respect. Will I always be polite? Of course. But respect has to be earned, and keep being earned throughout life. That is what I meant.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

It’s kind of insane that we’re arguing about whether homophobia exists outside Arab countries

Nobody Is saying homophobia doesn't exist outside of Arab countries i'm just saying Arab and Jews spread homophobia with Christianity and their version of Islam

Saying it was the Arabs AND THE JEWS is sure to placate your critics. I can't imagine that going wrong!

[Insaanistan]

Nobody Is saying homophobia doesn't exist outside of Arab countries i'm just saying Arab and Jews spread homophobia with Christianity and their version of Islam

There's no quotes against homosexuality in the Bible (as the law of God) and I'm unsure about the Qu'ran.

Islam doesn’t care about sexuality, but views homosexual SEX the same way it views extra-marital sex. The actual existence of gay people isn’t seen as a problem, but gay people having relationships/intercourse with other gay people IS.

[Atheris]

Yes, it does. Trust me, I have verses from the 1912 Lutheran Bible and similar bibles around that time to back me up. Even if it was referring to homosexuality, which it isn't, it's not referring to the law of God but the law of Israel.

Then can you link your evidence? If that's true, I want to know, but I'm not comfortable taking your word for it.

Yeah, sorry for the late response.

22nd Thou shalt not lie with a boy as with a woman; for it is an abomination.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lut/levitikus/18.html

https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does ... osexuality

[Bosardia]

It’s kind of insane that we’re arguing about whether homophobia exists outside Arab countries

A more debatable question: Is there homophobia on Mars?

As long as the homophobes don't move to Mars, then no, there's no homophobia on Mars. There's a reason I want to go there xD

[Atheris]

There's no quotes against homosexuality in the Bible (as the law of God) and I'm unsure about the Qu'ran.

Islam doesn’t care about sexuality, but views homosexual SEX the same way it views extra-marital sex. The actual existence of gay people isn’t seen as a problem, but gay people having relationships/intercourse with other gay people IS.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!

[Tsarus 2142]

Nobody Is saying homophobia doesn't exist outside of Arab countries i'm just saying Arab and Jews spread homophobia with Christianity and their version of Islam

There's no quotes against homosexuality in the Bible (as the law of God) and I'm unsure about the Qu'ran.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church admonishes homosexual acts and marriage clearly, even if the Bible doesn't.
You can be mentally LGBT, but you cannot, according to Catholic "law" if you will, act upon it.

[Bosardia]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church admonishes homosexual acts and marriage clearly, even if the Bible doesn't.
You can be mentally LGBT, but you cannot, according to Catholic "law" if you will, act upon it.

Islam doesn’t care about sexuality, but views homosexual SEX the same way it views extra-marital sex. The actual existence of gay people isn’t seen as a problem, but gay people having relationships/intercourse with other gay people IS.

Not to be disrespectful, but doesn't that seem odd? I mean, if gay people come into existence, why shouldn't they be able to have relationships with one another or intercourse? To me it sounds a bit like "here, have a pair of lungs, but you can't use them to breathe". It appears to be highly contradictory.

[Auzkhia]

I'm queer and not a christian, why should I care about what the bible or church doctrine says about me? They say whatever they want but it has no bearing on me.

Though like, I suppose maybe if they didn't have stuff like that, perhaps homophobia and transphobia won't be so entrenched in society.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Young people have very little influence on the elderly anyway (unless they're relatives). You should be a bit sensitive though because some of those elderly people have been gay all their lives, but never expressed it because the generation they're still in would mock them or ostracize them (or worse). It's up to them and their generation to work that out, but we should NEVER assume there are no elderly gay people, because it would be hurtful to those who do exist, AND it plays into the homophobic narrative that being gay is a modern "lifestyle choice" or a creature of culture.

I never said there were no elderly gay people, you misunderstood what I said. What I referred to is that elderly people don't deserve respect automatically just because they lived up to a specific age. Sure, I am thankful for those elderly people that fought in the war, yet if those elderly will fail to show me respect because of a specific viewpoint they have, then sadly they lose my respect. Will I always be polite? Of course. But respect has to be earned, and keep being earned throughout life. That is what I meant.

Fair enough. I will try again though: homophobia towards you from the straight elderly, is a less horrible thing than their homophobia towards gays of their own generation. Being in the closet so long it's practically impossible to tell if they're gay, too.

[Nakena]

So does Islam. It's all the same thing. lol.

Well if u practice Islam like an Arab you'll become homophobic

It's time to return to the Tengri.

I'm queer and not a christian, why should I care about what the bible or church doctrine says about me? They say whatever they want but it has no bearing on me.

Because they want christian/abrahamic supremacy. And people with marxist worldview are aiding them indirectly in that...

[Kilobugya]

22nd Thou shalt not lie with a boy as with a woman; for it is an abomination.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lut/levitikus/18.html

Most of Leviticus has been abrogated/superseded by the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus, who apparently never said anything against gays. Alongside with the prohibition of homosexuality, Leviticus contains tons of silly rules (such as restrictions on foods, clothing or hair styles) which no christian ever considers seriously.

[Tsarus 2142]

Islam doesn’t care about sexuality, but views homosexual SEX the same way it views extra-marital sex. The actual existence of gay people isn’t seen as a problem, but gay people having relationships/intercourse with other gay people IS.

Not to be disrespectful, but doesn't that seem odd? I mean, if gay people come into existence, why shouldn't they be able to have relationships with one another or intercourse? To me it sounds a bit like "here, have a pair of lungs, but you can't use them to breathe". It appears to be highly contradictory.

I'm not sure. That is my gripe with Catholicism, it's too dogmatic and calls people to live in an unnatural way. That's the way of agrarian religions.

I believe this spike in LGBT is a sort of natural response to high population, either that or it is a part of the increase in sexual immorality that comes with the downfall of civilizations, which is actually a thing.
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[Bosardia]

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lut/levitikus/18.html

Most of Leviticus has been abrogated/superseded by the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus, who apparently never said anything against gays. Alongside with the prohibition of homosexuality, Leviticus contains tons of silly rules (such as restrictions on foods, clothing or hair styles) which no christian ever considers seriously.

On top of that, the Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) was written by people. People with an agenda, people with a specific goal in mind. The Bible didn't arrive by fax or mail, it was written by human beings who lived in an era where they didn't yet have science to explain things.

[The New California Republic]

I believe this spike in LGBT is a sort of natural response to high population, either that or it is a part of the increase in sexual immorality that comes with the downfall of civilizations, which is actually a thing.

It's far more likely that the numbers are going up because people are able to be more open about saying that they are LGBT, rather than there being an actual increase.

[Insaanistan]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church admonishes homosexual acts and marriage clearly, even if the Bible doesn't.
You can be mentally LGBT, but you cannot, according to Catholic "law" if you will, act upon it.

Islam doesn’t care about sexuality, but views homosexual SEX the same way it views extra-marital sex. The actual existence of gay people isn’t seen as a problem, but gay people having relationships/intercourse with other gay people IS.

Not to be disrespectful, but doesn't that seem odd? I mean, if gay people come into existence, why shouldn't they be able to have relationships with one another or intercourse? To me it sounds a bit like "here, have a pair of lungs, but you can't use them to breathe". It appears to be highly contradictory.

I understand the confusion. Basically, because Islam believes in getting as many hasanat or barakat (blessings for good deeds) as possible in this life, so that you have a better chance of heaven in the afterlife. Abstaining from certain things is a great way to get hasanat or barakat. Homosexual people have the chance to get more hasanat in regards to sexuality by abstaining from homosexual intercourse/relations. Meanwhile, straight people get hasanat in this respect for abstaining from pre-marital or extra-marital intercourse. All that goes towards the afterlife where everyone hopes to have more good deeds than bad ones.

[Kilobugya]

On top of that, the Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) was written by people. People with an agenda, people with a specific goal in mind. The Bible didn't arrive by fax or mail, it was written by human beings who lived in an era where they didn't yet have science to explain things.

Oh I totally agree with you on that, but when trying to get christian more respectful of LGBT rights, I try to not go toooo frontally against their core belief

[Bosardia]

either that or it is a part of the increase in sexual immorality that comes with the downfall of civilizations, which is actually a thing.

Yeah, no. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. There is nothing immoral about two men or women having sexual interaction when it is done on the basis of mutual consent.

[Zul-ar]

"It's an Arab thing."

>Chechnya and Iran

Arabs invented homophobia Chechens and Persians didn't

No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

[Ifreann]

Arabs invented homophobia Chechens and Persians didn't

No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

People did invent racism.

[Bosardia]

On top of that, the Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) was written by people. People with an agenda, people with a specific goal in mind. The Bible didn't arrive by fax or mail, it was written by human beings who lived in an era where they didn't yet have science to explain things.

Oh I totally agree with you on that, but when trying to get christian more respectful of LGBT rights, I try to not go toooo frontally against their core belief

Well, I'll be less frontal when they stop calling me sinful but I see what you're saying and agree with it. Going about it respectfully is the longer, more arduous route, but arguably the better way.

[Azerbaystan]

Arabs invented homophobia Chechens and Persians didn't

No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

Both were invented both are unnatural beliefs

[Washington Resistance Army]

No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

People did invent racism.

Not really. It's a pretty simple step to racism from normal human tribalism. Outsider bad and all that.

[Kilobugya]

No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

People did invent racism.

I think he meant it was not "invented" just by one people/group of people, like you can say "the Chinese invented gunpowder" or "Alan Turing (and his team) invented the computer. But it's (sadly) a recurring pattern appearing in many different cultures, at many different times and places in the long history of mankind.

[Bosardia]

I understand the confusion. Basically, because Islam believes in getting as many hasanat or barakat (blessings for good deeds) as possible in this life, so that you have a better chance of heaven in the afterlife. Abstaining from certain things is a great way to get hasanat or barakat. Homosexual people have the chance to get more hasanat in regards to sexuality by abstaining from homosexual intercourse/relations. Meanwhile, straight people get hasanat in this respect for abstaining from pre-marital or extra-marital intercourse. All that goes towards the afterlife where everyone hopes to have more good deeds than bad ones.

Thank you for the explanation, as I do appreciate learning new things like this However, while I could see the logic in it from a religious point of view, I personally don't find myself in agreement with it.