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Postby Erynia and Draconia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:08 am

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Tsarus 2142 wrote:I believe this spike in LGBT is a sort of natural response to high population, either that or it is a part of the increase in sexual immorality that comes with the downfall of civilizations, which is actually a thing.

It's far more likely that the numbers are going up because people are able to be more open about saying that they are LGBT, rather than there being an actual increase.

Exactly. Younger generations are more accepting in general so people are coming out more to themselves and to others.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:09 am

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Insaanistan wrote:I understand the confusion. Basically, because Islam believes in getting as many hasanat or barakat (blessings for good deeds) as possible in this life, so that you have a better chance of heaven in the afterlife. Abstaining from certain things is a great way to get hasanat or barakat. Homosexual people have the chance to get more hasanat in regards to sexuality by abstaining from homosexual intercourse/relations. Meanwhile, straight people get hasanat in this respect for abstaining from pre-marital or extra-marital intercourse. All that goes towards the afterlife where everyone hopes to have more good deeds than bad ones.

Thank you for the explanation, as I do appreciate learning new things like this :) However, while I could see the logic in it from a religious point of view, I personally don't find myself in agreement with it.

I understand completely.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:09 am

Bosardia wrote:On top of that, the Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) was written by people. People with an agenda, people with a specific goal in mind.


The Agenda was to make them into drone cattles to worship and submit to Yawah and recognize him as the only god and reject all other deities or magick. Basically establishing a spiritual monopoly that doesnt tolerates any competition!

Now that would be for sure an interesting topic for leftists? In theory yes. In practice (for most?) it isnt because they don't really question religious dogma and supremacy and instead acting as fifth column to reintroduce this stuff into europe through the import of millions of people who have, statistically speaking, a very strong belief into those things.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:11 am

Insaanistan wrote:I understand the confusion. Basically, because Islam believes in getting as many hasanat or barakat (blessings for good deeds) as possible in this life, so that you have a better chance of heaven in the afterlife. Abstaining from certain things is a great way to get hasanat or barakat. Homosexual people have the chance to get more hasanat in regards to sexuality by abstaining from homosexual intercourse/relations. Meanwhile, straight people get hasanat in this respect for abstaining from pre-marital or extra-marital intercourse. All that goes towards the afterlife where everyone hopes to have more good deeds than bad ones.


So basically life is a test, a trial, but everyone aren't thrown into it with the same challenges, like some have to play at higher difficulty level (for some it's "no sex with the one you love outside of marriage" and for others "no sex with the one you love ever") ? Sounds pretty unfair from God. Or do playing at higher difficulty get more pass for minor transgressions ? But would still be very unfair...
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:13 am

Nakena wrote:
Bosardia wrote:On top of that, the Bible (both the Old and New Testaments) was written by people. People with an agenda, people with a specific goal in mind.


The Agenda was to make them into drone cattles to worship and submit to Yawah and recognize him as the only god and reject all other deities or magick. Basically establishing a spiritual monopoly that doesnt tolerates any competition!

It was primarily motivated by a drive to distinguish themselves from other religions and cultures around them. Most of the surrounding kingdoms had polytheistic belief systems, like Egypt. So, to stand out from the rest, the Bible introduced a monotheistic religion. That's just one example, but in general, all the rules that you find in the Old Testament that forbid this, or call this or that a sin, isn't motivated by religious fervor or devotion, but rather a drive to be culturally distinct.
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:14 am

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Zul-ar wrote:No one invented homophobia, just like no one invented racism

People did invent racism.

They're all learned behaviors that come from implicit and in-group vs out-group biases.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:15 am

Bosardia wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but doesn't that seem odd? I mean, if gay people come into existence, why shouldn't they be able to have relationships with one another or intercourse?


You are doing here a number of mistakes, you giving the religion in question to much cred to begin with by accepting his base assumption that it's deity was the demiurge who created the world or even the universe. Which is of course total bullshit. But by doing so you are accepting already the religions fundamental premise which is basically saying "We created the world". A fantastic and rather unlikely claim which has to be understood int he context of creating a religious/spiritual/mana monopoly to ensure the absolute and undisputed rule of a single deity.

Which also explains the gay stuff. Gay sex happens by definition outside of what is covered by religius matremony/marriage. Basically marriage in context of islam/christianity is sanctioned sexual intercourse by the monopoly. Everything outside is unsanctioned "free sex" or whatever, that undermines the monopoly which is specifically weary of sexual activities because it knows exactly about the dangerous powers that it can unleash.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:17 am

Auzkhia wrote:They're all learned behaviors that come from implicit and in-group vs out-group biases.


There is some of that, yes, but it's also codified, spread and systematized as a way to justify oppression for economical reasons (slavery, plunder of resources, ...) or as a way to divide the working class so it wouldn't struggle against those exploiting them.
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:18 am

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Bosardia wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but doesn't that seem odd? I mean, if gay people come into existence, why shouldn't they be able to have relationships with one another or intercourse?


You are doing here a number of mistakes, you giving the religion in question to much cred to begin with by accepting his base assumption that it's deity was the demiurge who created the world or even the universe. Which is of course total bullshit. But by doing so you are accepting already the religions fundamental premise which is basically saying "We created the world". A fantastic and rather unlikely claim which has to be understood int he context of creating a religious/spiritual/mana monopoly to ensure the absolute and undisputed rule of a single deity.

I'm quite anti-religion, I assure you. I am simply trying to be polite and phrase my anti-religiousness respectfully :P

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:22 am

Kilobugya wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I understand the confusion. Basically, because Islam believes in getting as many hasanat or barakat (blessings for good deeds) as possible in this life, so that you have a better chance of heaven in the afterlife. Abstaining from certain things is a great way to get hasanat or barakat. Homosexual people have the chance to get more hasanat in regards to sexuality by abstaining from homosexual intercourse/relations. Meanwhile, straight people get hasanat in this respect for abstaining from pre-marital or extra-marital intercourse. All that goes towards the afterlife where everyone hopes to have more good deeds than bad ones.


So basically life is a test, a trial, but everyone aren't thrown into it with the same challenges, like some have to play at higher difficulty level (for some it's "no sex with the one you love outside of marriage" and for others "no sex with the one you love ever") ? Sounds pretty unfair from God. Or do playing at higher difficulty get more pass for minor transgressions ? But would still be very unfair...

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:23 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:
So basically life is a test, a trial, but everyone aren't thrown into it with the same challenges, like some have to play at higher difficulty level (for some it's "no sex with the one you love outside of marriage" and for others "no sex with the one you love ever") ? Sounds pretty unfair from God. Or do playing at higher difficulty get more pass for minor transgressions ? But would still be very unfair...

“Playing at higher difficulty” means more chances to collect loot boxes (gain rewards for good deeds and abstinences).


Loot boxes, too? I'm finding more and more reasons to dislike Islam.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:28 am

Bosardia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
You are doing here a number of mistakes, you giving the religion in question to much cred to begin with by accepting his base assumption that it's deity was the demiurge who created the world or even the universe. Which is of course total bullshit. But by doing so you are accepting already the religions fundamental premise which is basically saying "We created the world". A fantastic and rather unlikely claim which has to be understood int he context of creating a religious/spiritual/mana monopoly to ensure the absolute and undisputed rule of a single deity.

I'm quite anti-religion, I assure you. I am simply trying to be polite and phrase my anti-religiousness respectfully :P


Haha. I am not anti-religious or atheist but i am definetively against some specific attempts of certain people to establish a religious and spiritual monopoly and supremacy with the intention to bring all of humankind into a state of obedience, submission and generally being reduced to cattle for the rest of their existence.
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:32 am

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Bosardia wrote:I'm quite anti-religion, I assure you. I am simply trying to be polite and phrase my anti-religiousness respectfully :P


Haha. I am not anti-religious but i am definetively against some specific attempts of certain people to establish a religious and spiritual monopoly and supremacy with the intention to bring all of humankind into a state of obedience, submission and generally being reduced to cattle for the rest of their existence.

I simply think that whatever beliefs you have, be it Christian, Islam or anything else, is highly personal and doesn't involve other people. If someone wants to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, that is their business and not mine. However, it becomes my business when that person tries to enforce their beliefs on others, or specifically convert them. That is why I am anti-religion, because they have the specific goal to control and influence others, and gain as much control and influence as possible. If a Christian wants to practice his or her beliefs at home, fine with me. But when that Christian goes and tries to outlaw gay marriages because of his or her beliefs, then they become a problem, then my anti-religiousness spikes a thousandfold.

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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:41 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:
So basically life is a test, a trial, but everyone aren't thrown into it with the same challenges, like some have to play at higher difficulty level (for some it's "no sex with the one you love outside of marriage" and for others "no sex with the one you love ever") ? Sounds pretty unfair from God. Or do playing at higher difficulty get more pass for minor transgressions ? But would still be very unfair...

“Playing at higher difficulty” means more chances to collect loot boxes (gain rewards for good deeds and abstinences).

Sure, but a higher difficulty also increases risk for failure. How can it be considered a fair test if everyone isn't being held to the same standards?
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:44 am

Zul-ar wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:“Playing at higher difficulty” means more chances to collect loot boxes (gain rewards for good deeds and abstinences).

Sure, but a higher difficulty also increases risk for failure. How can it be considered a fair test if everyone isn't being held to the same standards?

I believe the whole "testing your devotion" thing is flawed at its core. If God is meant to love His creation unconditionally, then why are we being tested? That clearly implies the love isn't unconditional, but conditional: "you are loved if you pass this test". Besides, imagine the following: one of the people you know loves you unconditionally puts you through harm, fear, stress, pain, suffering and indignities to test your love for them. Would you still consider that person sane? Because I wouldn't. That is why I have stopped believing in a god, because the concept is highly flawed in my opinion.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:45 am

Zul-ar wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:“Playing at higher difficulty” means more chances to collect loot boxes (gain rewards for good deeds and abstinences).

Sure, but a higher difficulty also increases risk for failure. How can it be considered a fair test if everyone isn't being held to the same standards?

According to Islam only sin that God will never forgive you for dying with without seeking forgiveness (if you’re a good person) is shirk (associating partners with Him or worshipping something other than Him.)
Had homosexual sex?
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:46 am

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Zul-ar wrote:Sure, but a higher difficulty also increases risk for failure. How can it be considered a fair test if everyone isn't being held to the same standards?

I believe the whole "testing your devotion" thing is flawed at its core. If God is meant to love His creation unconditionally, then why are we being tested? That clearly implies the love isn't unconditional, but conditional: "you are loved if you pass this test". Besides, imagine the following: one of the people you know loves you unconditionally puts you through harm, fear, stress, pain, suffering and indignities to test your love for them. Would you still consider that person sane? Because I wouldn't. That is why I have stopped believing in a god, because the concept is highly flawed in my opinion.

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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:46 am

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Bosardia wrote:I believe the whole "testing your devotion" thing is flawed at its core. If God is meant to love His creation unconditionally, then why are we being tested? That clearly implies the love isn't unconditional, but conditional: "you are loved if you pass this test". Besides, imagine the following: one of the people you know loves you unconditionally puts you through harm, fear, stress, pain, suffering and indignities to test your love for them. Would you still consider that person sane? Because I wouldn't. That is why I have stopped believing in a god, because the concept is highly flawed in my opinion.

God can't be judged by human standards.

He can be, because God is literally a human invention and creation. We created Atum, we created Zeus, we created Jupiter, we created God. We created the divine to have an answer for things we didn't yet understand, things we couldn't yet explain because we didn't have science.
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:49 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:Sure, but a higher difficulty also increases risk for failure. How can it be considered a fair test if everyone isn't being held to the same standards?

According to Islam only sin that God will never forgive you for dying with without seeking forgiveness (if you’re a good person) is shirk (associating partners with Him or worshipping something other than Him.)
Had homosexual sex?
Ask for forgiveness, then you should give to charity or fast if you can. Then move on with your life.

So I can go rape a dog and then prey and be forgiven? Then, what's the point of heaven and hell if it's not judging goodness/badness, but merely how willing you are to lick the boots of God?
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:50 am

Bosardia wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:God can't be judged by human standards.

He can be, because God is literally a human invention and creation. We created Atum, we created Zeus, we created Jupiter, we created God. We created the divine to have an answer for things we didn't yet understand, things we couldn't yet explain because we didn't have science.

Anyone who believes in God will disagree that humans invented him.
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:51 am

Kilobugya wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:They're all learned behaviors that come from implicit and in-group vs out-group biases.


There is some of that, yes, but it's also codified, spread and systematized as a way to justify oppression for economical reasons (slavery, plunder of resources, ...) or as a way to divide the working class so it wouldn't struggle against those exploiting them.

Of course, there are many facets to it, though it kinda is a chicken vs egg sort of problem. Systemic oppression further strengthens the mental sides of bias, discrimination, and prejudice. This is not an individualized problem but a problem of society. Though I think we both agree for sure.

Like specifically with lgbtqia+ people, the sex gender system, cis-heteronormativity, and patriarchy all interlock and overlap with each other and are the systems that have value systems of homophobia and transphobia.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 am

Bosardia wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:God can't be judged by human standards.

He can be, because God is literally a human invention and creation. We created Atum, we created Zeus, we created Jupiter, we created God. We created the divine to have an answer for things we didn't yet understand, things we couldn't yet explain because we didn't have science.


Idk man I don't have much trouble worshipping Zeus/Jupiter and believing in science too.
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:53 am

Zul-ar wrote:
Bosardia wrote:He can be, because God is literally a human invention and creation. We created Atum, we created Zeus, we created Jupiter, we created God. We created the divine to have an answer for things we didn't yet understand, things we couldn't yet explain because we didn't have science.

Anyone who believes in God will disagree that humans invented him.

I leave that between them and their God, as it is not my business what they believe. As long as they leave me in peace for seeing that God is a human creation and invention, I have no qualms with them.

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Idk man I don't have much trouble worshipping Zeus/Jupiter and believing in science too.

Feel free to! Heck, I absolutely love and adore Greek mythology. If you find truth in both religion and science, that is totally fine with me. As long as I am left free to believe otherwise, all is good.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:53 am

Bosardia wrote:Besides, imagine the following: one of the people you know loves you unconditionally puts you through harm, fear, stress, pain, suffering and indignities to test your love for them. Would you still consider that person sane? Because I wouldn't. That is why I have stopped believing in a god, because the concept is highly flawed in my opinion.


Yeah... God can't be omniscient, omnipowerful, sane AND loving and yet the world be what it is. One of them has to yield. EIther God doesn't exist (which is my opinion, because anyway there aren't any evidence towards that God thingy so...), or he's not omniscient/omnipowerful (which is why polytheist religions seem more coherent to me, multiple gods with similar level of powers and different goals opposing/competing/... with each other), or he's ethically unworthy of being praised and worshipped.

And well, Voltaire wrote Candide more than 250 years ago, that should be settled now.
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