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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:22 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.

Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all


Uh no, there are still plenty of homophobes in America bro. Growing up, homophobia was very prevalent in my community toward gay men, and being openly gay would open you up to harassment at best and physical violence at worst.
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:23 am

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Azerbaystan wrote:Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all


There are plenty of places in Europe where they have no rights and across Africa and Asia.

Sure like i agree u can be gay whatever it's your life but be mindful of elderly people

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:24 am

Zul-ar wrote:Right, but my problem with that is that 1. as you said, the Lutheran Bible is not necessarily correct and 2. I've been told the Hebrew uses the word zakar which means man and not boy

It's contradictory depending on what version you look at. For example the Elberfelder Bible also includes the word "Knabenschänder", even though it is a German translation of the Darby Bible, which actually says this instead:

[...] nor who abuse themselves with men

It may be an incorrect conflation of one with the other, which has led to some carelessness on the part of the original translator.
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:24 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There are plenty of places in Europe where they have no rights and across Africa and Asia.

Sure like i agree u can be gay whatever it's your life but be mindful of elderly people

And why can't they be mindful of others?

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Postby New Acardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:24 am

I am going to ask a un popular question
How many of theses LGBT are only LGBT because it is now the cool thing to say or had goofy adults pound it (figuratively) in to there head that are LGBT ?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:25 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There are plenty of places in Europe where they have no rights and across Africa and Asia.

Sure like i agree u can be gay whatever it's your life but be mindful of elderly people


I dont care if the elderly are uncomfortable with two men holding hands, something that doesn't affect them at all. Tell them to grow the fuck up, I mean they've had like 60 years to do that.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:25 am

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San Lumen wrote:Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.

Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all

Wh...
There is no country on earth without homophobes, dude. Homophobia isn’t a Muslim thing, lol.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:25 am

New Acardia wrote:I am going to ask a un popular question
How many of theses LGBT are only LGBT because it is now the cool thing to say or had goofy adults pound it (figuratively) in to there head that are LGBT ?

Pretty much 0.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:25 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:To be fair "gay pride" is a little strange. [...] We need gay acceptance, not gay pride. Acceptance is when you take people as they are and don't put them down. Pride is when you wear it on your sleeve and shove it in people's faces and act like you're special for it.


I agree with you in absolute, but you've consider the context. When so many people suffer from bullying, rejection, discrimination, ... for being gay, claiming "I'm proud to be gay" is a defiance against that hostility. It doesn't mean they consider themselves superior, but that not only they reject the oppression, but they also don't want to be just tolerated in a quiet corner, but they want to be fully accepted as they are. That's the true meaning of it.
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Postby Whitemore » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:26 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?

You have freedoms now be happy and these parade u people have are very disturbing to the elderly


You.. know there are elderly LGBT people yes? I myself know 2.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:26 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There are plenty of places in Europe where they have no rights and across Africa and Asia.

Sure like i agree u can be gay whatever it's your life but be mindful of elderly people


Why should you have to be? Who cares what they think about two men or women holding hands and kissing?

In countries like Uganda and Nigeria you can be murdered for being gay. I watched a documentary about it some time ago. It was scary and made me realize how lucky I am.

There are places in the US where being gay can mean harassment and bigotry towards you.
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:26 am

Bosardia wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:Sure like i agree u can be gay whatever it's your life but be mindful of elderly people

And why can't they be mindful of others?

Well the elderly people are the reason we have freedom now but the gays have never died in war fighting for freedom

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:27 am

New Acardia wrote:How many of theses LGBT are only LGBT because it is now the cool thing to say or had goofy adults pound it (figuratively) in to there head that are LGBT ?

How many LGBT theses? This isn't a gender studies course...
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Postby Caribbean Confederation » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:27 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
Bosardia wrote:And why can't they be mindful of others?

Well the elderly people are the reason we have freedom now but the gays have never died in war fighting for freedom

I mean, I'm the first one to support the US military in its interventions, but outside of the small minority who fought in WWII, neither did they?
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Postby Whitemore » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:27 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
Bosardia wrote:And why can't they be mindful of others?

Well the elderly people are the reason we have freedom now but the gays have never died in war fighting for freedom


Incorrect, there have been through the years hundreds of thousands of Homosexual people who have fought and died for their respective countries.
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all

Wh...
There is no country on earth without homophobes, dude. Homophobia isn’t a Muslim thing, lol.

No its an Arab thing i'm not against Islam lol

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 am

Kilobugya wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:To be fair "gay pride" is a little strange. [...] We need gay acceptance, not gay pride. Acceptance is when you take people as they are and don't put them down. Pride is when you wear it on your sleeve and shove it in people's faces and act like you're special for it.


I agree with you in absolute, but you've consider the context. When so many people suffer from bullying, rejection, discrimination, ... for being gay, claiming "I'm proud to be gay" is a defiance against that hostility. It doesn't mean they consider themselves superior, but that not only they reject the oppression, but they also don't want to be just tolerated in a quiet corner, but they want to be fully accepted as they are. That's the true meaning of it.


Maybe but still, pride seems to be the wrong word for it.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Well the elderly people are the reason we have freedom now but the gays have never died in war fighting for freedom


Hrm... does the name Alan Turing ring a bell to you ?

And countless anonymous LGBT people died fighting the nazis or the fascists... while the of them was slaughtered in extermination camps.
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Postby Whitemore » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Wh...
There is no country on earth without homophobes, dude. Homophobia isn’t a Muslim thing, lol.

No its an Arab thing i'm not against Islam lol


Homophobia isn't limited to just one religion, it wasn't invited by the Arab people either.
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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 am

New Acardia wrote:I am going to ask a un popular question
How many of theses LGBT are only LGBT because it is now the cool thing to say or had goofy adults pound it (figuratively) in to there head that are LGBT ?

Oh right, cause it's so trendy to choose to belong to a societal group that's actively oppressed in parts of the world, or are treated as second class citizens. Do you honestly believe that people want to belong to a group that is discriminated against? Ask yourself that question and think about it for a moment. Because I can tell you, if I could, I would not have chosen to be gay (LGBTQ). Yet I simply don't have a choice, it was simply how I was born. So, it would be really, really helpful to live a happy and normal life, if people didn't make assumptions like you did with your question.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Wh...
There is no country on earth without homophobes, dude. Homophobia isn’t a Muslim thing, lol.

No its an Arab thing i'm not against Islam lol

Uganda and Poland say hello. Both countries are very homophobic and LGBT people have no rights there.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:29 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Well the elderly people are the reason we have freedom now but the gays have never died in war fighting for freedom

Wrong.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:31 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Wh...
There is no country on earth without homophobes, dude. Homophobia isn’t a Muslim thing, lol.

No its an Arab thing i'm not against Islam lol


"It's an Arab thing."

>Chechnya and Iran
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.


Trans people yes but the polling is pretty clear that opposition to LGB people has largely dissipated to a minority viewpoint, it has no real traction anymore.


Though same sex marriage seems more an effect than a cause, in my own case the issue marked my first realization that a significant number of LGBT people do actually form long term partnerships. I thought of that as quite rare, because the club scene seemed to me like the only scene.

And it's not like I never met gay people before that. I even knew couples. I just assumed they were the exception and the LGBT people I hadn't met yet, were all into one-night stands.

I think the gay community rather marketed itself that way, as party animals who didn't need that 'settling down' nonsense, or by doing it so obviously allowed themselves to be stereotyped that way.
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:32 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:No its an Arab thing i'm not against Islam lol


"It's an Arab thing."

>Chechnya and Iran

Arabs invented homophobia Chechens and Persians didn't

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