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Zul-ar
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:54 am

Atheris wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. Trust me, I have verses from the 1912 Lutheran Bible and similar bibles around that time to back me up. Even if it was referring to homosexuality, which it isn't, it's not referring to the law of God but the law of Israel.

Then can you link your evidence? If that's true, I want to know, but I'm not comfortable taking your word for it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:06 am

Zul-ar wrote:
Atheris wrote:Yes, it does. Trust me, I have verses from the 1912 Lutheran Bible and similar bibles around that time to back me up. Even if it was referring to homosexuality, which it isn't, it's not referring to the law of God but the law of Israel.

Then can you link your evidence? If that's true, I want to know, but I'm not comfortable taking your word for it.

The 1912 Lutheran Bible, 1 Corinthians 6:9:

Wisset ihr nicht, daß die Ungerechten das Reich Gottes nicht ererben werden? Lasset euch nicht verführen! Weder die Hurer noch die Abgöttischen noch die Ehebrecher noch die Weichlinge noch die Knabenschänder

"Knabenschänder" means "pederast".

I'm not saying the Lutheran version of the Bible is correct, simply relaying what it says.
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Postby The Dodo Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:08 am

I wouldn't know cause im straight as a pencil.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:10 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:I wouldn't know cause im straight as a pencil.


That is sus as shit my guy.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:12 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:I wouldn't know cause im straight as a pencil.


Does that line impress girls?
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:12 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:Then can you link your evidence? If that's true, I want to know, but I'm not comfortable taking your word for it.

The 1912 Lutheran Bible, 1 Corinthians 6:9:

Wisset ihr nicht, daß die Ungerechten das Reich Gottes nicht ererben werden? Lasset euch nicht verführen! Weder die Hurer noch die Abgöttischen noch die Ehebrecher noch die Weichlinge noch die Knabenschänder

"Knabenschänder" means "pederast".

I'm not saying the Lutheran version of the Bible is correct, simply relaying what it says.

Right, but my problem with that is that 1. as you said, the Lutheran Bible is not necessarily correct and 2. I've been told the Hebrew uses the word zakar which means man and not boy
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:13 am

Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:13 am

Atheris wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. Trust me, I have verses from the 1912 Lutheran Bible and similar bibles around that time to back me up. Even if it was referring to homosexuality, which it isn't, it's not referring to the law of God but the law of Israel.


The big problem with this theory is that afaik the word used in the oldest Greek versions of the New Testament is the same word used in the Greek version of the Hebrew bible for homosexuality.
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:13 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:I wouldn't know cause im straight as a pencil.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:15 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?
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Postby Caribbean Confederation » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:15 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

Honestly? Specifically because you get so offended when people exist in public while gay to the point that even the show of "I am gay, you tried to pretend I didn't exist but I do." becomes "shoving it in our throats" and "bragging".
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:15 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?


The US would never meet a nice nation and get married, if it was shy.
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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:16 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

What's that supposed to mean? We're here discussing the reason why more Americans identify as LGBT, the conversation isn't about bragging. It's no different from discussing rising birthrates or rising divorce rates. But I'm sure you wouldn't see any of those discussions as "bragging," that only applies to LGBT, huh?
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:16 am

Zul-ar wrote:
The Dodo Republic wrote:I wouldn't know cause im straight as a pencil.

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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?

You have freedoms now be happy and these parade u people have are very disturbing to the elderly
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:18 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?

You have freedoms now be happy

Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:18 am

Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?


I bet theres some hot guys in Azerbaijan too. ^^
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:19 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?

You have freedoms now be happy


Freedom is the opium of the masses. They think it's making them happy 'til suddenly they overdose and land in jail.

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Postby Bosardia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:19 am

Aogensokyo wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Complete and utter rubbish. They are giving you false information. Its not a trendy or cool thing to do as that implies its a choice which it is not.

As a gay man I can tell you i did not chose to be gay.


I don't know. I have read some say that it is a choice and some say it is by birth. Maybe it is different for different people. So it might be partially a trend because things that were once frowned upon are now cool sometimes. That seems to be especially true in the West from what I have heard.

Here it was once considered bad for men to wear shorts or to dye your hair, but now more people do it because it is considered cool now.

Comparing wearing shorts or dying your hair as a man to being gay is a really horrible comparison to make. It's not a choice, never has been, and never will be. Can you choose to be gay now? Or any other sexuality? Can you make that choice right here and now "I am attracted to men/women"? I'll tell you the answer, you can't. You can't pick and choose your attraction as if it were a fashion item, because it's not. And whoever says that you can choose your sexual orientation is wrong, period. Only people with a religious or conservative agenda or motivation will keep up the lie that you can choose to be straight, gay or any other sexual orientation. Why? Because then they can justify to themselves that those people made a bad choice that they can judge. They don't want to see sexual orientation as something that someone is born with, because then they can no longer discriminate against those people. After all, how can you discriminate someone for something they are born with? It's a selfish ploy to justify discrimination by conservatives/religious folk.

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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:A new poll has found that more adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender than ever before.

[...]

Your thoughts NSG?


I's very sad that, for so many centuries, people were too afraid to admit (even to themselves) they weren't straight. So many people suffering, living in deny or self-deceit, because of bigotry and intolerance. Good that things are finally improving, even if there is still lots to do.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:You have freedoms now be happy

Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.


Trans people yes but the polling is pretty clear that opposition to LGB people has largely dissipated to a minority viewpoint, it has no real traction anymore.
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Postby Azerbaystan » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:You have freedoms now be happy

Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.

Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?


To be fair "gay pride" is a little strange. Like for comparison, when someone says "yeeeah brown pride" in reference to hispanics, I'm just like "but I'm not proud of being hispanic. I'm not ashamed of it, nor am I proud. This doesn't make me better than other people. I didn't work for this either." I think people should be proud of themselves about things they worked to accomplish. Being born a certain way isn't something to be proud or ashamed of cause you didn't choose to be that way. No one works to be gay. You don't go rocky balboa, waking up in the morning and drinking a glass of eggs and jogging up the steps just to be gay. You don't spend hours learning how to be gay. You just are. We need gay acceptance, not gay pride. Acceptance is when you take people as they are and don't put them down. Pride is when you wear it on your sleeve and shove it in people's faces and act like you're special for it.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:21 am

Azerbaystan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Ok and your point being? There are still people who think Lgbt people should have no rights.

Yeah chechnya, iran and saudi Arabia thats all


There are plenty of places in Europe where they have no rights and across Africa and Asia.

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Postby Zul-ar » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Azerbaystan wrote:Congratulations America u r gay but why u brag about it? why not just be gay and just stop bragging about it?

What is that supposed to mean ? What is wrong with lgbt people being open about it?

Like I've said:
Well, "don't rub it in my face" can be interpreted as it's own type of diet-homophobia.

I can say I went on a date with the opposite sex casually to a friend, and it's normal.
But if I say I went on a date with the same sex, somehow it's inherently sexual and inappropriate to people.
I can kiss someone of the opposite sex I'm in a relationship with, and it's normal.
If I kiss someone of the same sex, it's sexual and inappropriate.

This in itself shows a bias towards same-sex couples. While "don't rub it in my face" sounds reasonable at first, in practice it's often less "don't be obnoxious," and more "don't be gay in my presence."
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