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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:More like millennials grew up in a time where it still was socially stigmatized to a much greater degree.

San Lumen wrote:Thats not shocking at all if your look at vote patterns from the last two elections.

Not my point but whatever.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:26 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Any sort of sex even outside of sacramental marriage does not make someone a bad person but it's definitely sinful. The section of Leviticus was a Civil Law of the ancient state of Israel, not a moral law of God. Without clear context it's not easy to distinguish between the two but please research that before you jump to the New Testament. That's over a thousand years of events that happened. God doesn't hate gay people. It's a good thing that more people are being honest about their feelings.


Your saying G-d doesnt hate gay people but disapproves of homosexual acts?

God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Your saying G-d doesnt hate gay people but disapproves of homosexual acts?

God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.


I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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That's the position of all three Abrahamic faiths, yes.

Well he really doesn’t like most sex acts so...

Also, most of the sex acts declared as non-kosher in The Torah/OT don't really have the same issues today they did back then.

Most sex acts were banned because of cleanliness or practicality, but most of up aren't fucking in the open desert anymore so you have to worry about getting said in places where it doesn't belong. Likewise, the ban of wasting seed (Not masturbating) doesn't matter either because the Jewish population is the highest it's ever been, and is located in more areas than just the Middle East.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:34 pm

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New haven america wrote:God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.


I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:37 pm

New haven america wrote:
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I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.

It's a common Jewish practice.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 pm

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New haven america wrote:Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.

It's a common Jewish practice.

I can tell you from reading that that the only people who'd do that seriously are the most orthodox of the orthodox.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:45 pm

New haven america wrote:

I can tell you from reading that that the only people who'd do that seriously are the most orthodox of the orthodox.

I’m not orthodox and many Jews I know do it.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.

Because we are Jewish. It’s kind of a thing. It’s also why I never capitalize the “g” in god, if I capitalize it I remove the “o”
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.

Also we Jews don’t pronounce YHWH, which is why Elohim is used instead
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Postby Middle Barael » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Your saying G-d doesnt hate gay people but disapproves of homosexual acts?


That's the position of all three Abrahamic faiths, yes.

Not true. Reform, Conservative, and even many Modern Orthodox Jews are supportive of LGBTQ+ people (though with the Modern Orthodox it depends, and more so LGB than Trans or Non-Binary), as are a few Christian denominations, and plenty of other Muslims, Jews, Christians, Baha’is, and more are pro-LGBTQ+ even if their clergy are not.

New haven america wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Your saying G-d doesnt hate gay people but disapproves of homosexual acts?

God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.

I don’t want to be off-topic, but we have no real clue how the ancient Israelites pronounced it, other than it had YHWH as the consonants. Yahweh was a placeholder name made by a bunch of German Christian guys, and Jehovah comes originally from Rabbis using the vowels of “Adonai” as a placeholder for “YHVH”.

Anyways the others are correct that generally most Jews try to avoid pronouncing Jehovah or Yahweh (though these too are only placeholders, just more sacred placeholders I suppose), and that some Jews (ranging from Conservative to Ultra-Orthodox, really it’s a matter of personal preference) hyphenate the word “God”.

Kowani wrote:so, i checked out the underlying poll
the overwhelming winner here wasn't LGT
it was bisexuals
by far, they're the most common
More than half of LGBT adults (54.6%) identify as bisexual. About a quarter (24.5%) say they are gay, with 11.7% identifying as lesbian and 11.3% as transgender. An additional 3.3% volunteer another non-heterosexual preference or term to describe their sexual orientation, such as queer or same-gender-loving [...] Rebasing these percentages to represent their share of the U.S. adult population finds 3.1% of Americans identifying as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian and 0.6% as transgender


Yeah, I’m Gen Z and I know 3 different Pansexual people my age and I myself am Bi. Meanwhile the only Gay or Lesbian people I know are much older than me, usually Gen X.

And for the record, Gen Z is anyone born between 1995-2010. Your chart says 1998-2002, which is pretty wrong.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:38 pm

Middle Barael wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's the position of all three Abrahamic faiths, yes.

Not true. Reform, Conservative, and even many Modern Orthodox Jews are supportive of LGBTQ+ people (though with the Modern Orthodox it depends, and more so LGB than Trans or Non-Binary), as are a few Christian denominations, and plenty of other Muslims, Jews, Christians, Baha’is, and more are pro-LGBTQ+ even if their clergy are not.

New haven america wrote:God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.

I don’t want to be off-topic, but we have no real clue how the ancient Israelites pronounced it, other than it had YHWH as the consonants. Yahweh was a placeholder name made by a bunch of German Christian guys, and Jehovah comes originally from Rabbis using the vowels of “Adonai” as a placeholder for “YHVH”.

Anyways the others are correct that generally most Jews try to avoid pronouncing Jehovah or Yahweh (though these too are only placeholders, just more sacred placeholders I suppose), and that some Jews (ranging from Conservative to Ultra-Orthodox, really it’s a matter of personal preference) hyphenate the word “God”.

Kowani wrote:so, i checked out the underlying poll
the overwhelming winner here wasn't LGT
it was bisexuals
by far, they're the most common
More than half of LGBT adults (54.6%) identify as bisexual. About a quarter (24.5%) say they are gay, with 11.7% identifying as lesbian and 11.3% as transgender. An additional 3.3% volunteer another non-heterosexual preference or term to describe their sexual orientation, such as queer or same-gender-loving [...] Rebasing these percentages to represent their share of the U.S. adult population finds 3.1% of Americans identifying as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian and 0.6% as transgender


Yeah, I’m Gen Z and I know 3 different Pansexual people my age and I myself am Bi. Meanwhile the only Gay or Lesbian people I know are much older than me, usually Gen X.

And for the record, Gen Z is anyone born between 1995-2010. Your chart says 1998-2002, which is pretty wrong.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:59 pm

Middle Barael wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's the position of all three Abrahamic faiths, yes.

Not true. Reform, Conservative, and even many Modern Orthodox Jews are supportive of LGBTQ+ people (though with the Modern Orthodox it depends, and more so LGB than Trans or Non-Binary), as are a few Christian denominations, and plenty of other Muslims, Jews, Christians, Baha’is, and more are pro-LGBTQ+ even if their clergy are not.

New haven america wrote:God isn't the actual name of God, Yahweh is.

I don’t want to be off-topic, but we have no real clue how the ancient Israelites pronounced it, other than it had YHWH as the consonants. Yahweh was a placeholder name made by a bunch of German Christian guys, and Jehovah comes originally from Rabbis using the vowels of “Adonai” as a placeholder for “YHVH”.

Anyways the others are correct that generally most Jews try to avoid pronouncing Jehovah or Yahweh (though these too are only placeholders, just more sacred placeholders I suppose), and that some Jews (ranging from Conservative to Ultra-Orthodox, really it’s a matter of personal preference) hyphenate the word “God”.

Kowani wrote:so, i checked out the underlying poll
the overwhelming winner here wasn't LGT
it was bisexuals
by far, they're the most common
More than half of LGBT adults (54.6%) identify as bisexual. About a quarter (24.5%) say they are gay, with 11.7% identifying as lesbian and 11.3% as transgender. An additional 3.3% volunteer another non-heterosexual preference or term to describe their sexual orientation, such as queer or same-gender-loving [...] Rebasing these percentages to represent their share of the U.S. adult population finds 3.1% of Americans identifying as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian and 0.6% as transgender


Yeah, I’m Gen Z and I know 3 different Pansexual people my age and I myself am Bi. Meanwhile the only Gay or Lesbian people I know are much older than me, usually Gen X.

And for the record, Gen Z is anyone born between 1995-2010. Your chart says 1998-2002, which is pretty wrong.

Actually the dates for Gen Z are all over the place. At current point there is no end date. And according to the people who came up with the term, 98 is the start date.

Also the reason it says 2002 is because that’s the earliest time for 18 year olds to answer the question.

In addition to the Gen Z start date one group claims it to be 2004, while another says 2000, and yet another to be 09/11/2001
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Postby Aogensokyo » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:31 pm

This surprises me, but my foreign friends say that it is popular to be LGBT in the West and that many LGBT there are just going through phases like it is a fad. I don't know, there aren't many LGBT people here in my country so I am not sure what to think.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:50 am

Aogensokyo wrote:This surprises me, but my foreign friends say that it is popular to be LGBT in the West and that many LGBT there are just going through phases like it is a fad. I don't know, there aren't many LGBT people here in my country so I am not sure what to think.

Then you are getting false/biased information from your friends. Being gay is not a phase, it's not a fad, nor is it a sudden craze. The same goes for any sexuality that is in existence. Yes, you can go through a period where you are discovering your sexual orientation, and then someone might be under the impression that they're homosexual for example, but later discover that was not the case when they actually start experimenting with other people.

I see people saying "oh it's a fad, it's a trend" and whenever I see or hear those comments I really wonder if they realise what they're saying. How can it be a trend or fad to want to belong to a community and group that is being actively oppressed and discriminated against to this day? Do you see people on the street wanting to belong to a group of people that are called the most horrible things, or heck, are beaten up for it? Threatened with death? Called sinful or a disease? Do you think that's trendy?

It isn't. Being any sexual orientation other than straight is not a trend, it's not a fad or a craze. It's something that is determined from the moment someone is in the womb, and they have to live the rest of their life with it. Somehow, a large majority of people can accept that people are being born with different colours of eyes. No one is calling having brown eyes, or green or gray ones a fad, craze or trend. It simply is how someone was born. The same goes for sexual orientations, you're born with them and that is that. Now, people could make it really easy on everyone by simply accepting different sexual orientations just like they do with different eye colours.

Sadly, people like your friends are making it unnecessarily difficult for people with different sexual orientations, by calling them phases, trends or fads. They are creating the very false and wrong image that sexual orientations are something you can choose like an accessory to your outfit. That is absolutely not the case. People with different sexual orientations have existed since humanity became a thing. We've always been a part of human history and society, we just had to go underground when a certain religion came along and decided to have an opinion about it. However, with society being more advanced, intelligent and open-minded, the stigma on LGBTQers is declining and we are daring to express ourselves and our sexual orientations.

So, no, being LGBTQ is not a phase, it is not a trend, nor is it a fad. Your friends are wrong, and are even spreading a harmful image of people with different sexual orientations. Please, don't listen to them, because take it from me - a gay man - that your sexual orientation is not a fashion item. It's a characteristic about yourself that can't be altered or changed, and it would be incredibly helpful and nice if people finally came to see being LGBTQ as normal. Because it literally is.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:47 pm

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Atheris wrote:That refers to pedophilia, not homosexuality.

No it doesn't.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:48 pm

Aogensokyo wrote:This surprises me, but my foreign friends say that it is popular to be LGBT in the West and that many LGBT there are just going through phases like it is a fad. I don't know, there aren't many LGBT people here in my country so I am not sure what to think.


Complete and utter rubbish. They are giving you false information. Its not a trendy or cool thing to do as that implies its a choice which it is not.

As a gay man I can tell you i did not chose to be gay.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:53 pm

Aogensokyo wrote:This surprises me, but my foreign friends say that it is popular to be LGBT in the West and that many LGBT there are just going through phases like it is a fad. I don't know, there aren't many LGBT people here in my country so I am not sure what to think.

Well, I certainly didn't choose to constantly question if what my family told me about sex was right, all the pressure put on me by my family to have kids, all of the pressure put on me by society to have kids, society pushing having a girl/boyfriend like I'm "supposed" to, and then constantly question if I'm still a person or some freak of nature for not feeling like I fit because I can't feel romance or sexual attraction. It wasn't a fad at how much I used to and sometimes still do genuinely hate myself because I wasn't doing what society said I should do. It's not a fad how terrified I am to pursue a sensual relationship with someone I genuinely want to spend that time with because I'm terrified they'll fall in love with me and I know I won't love them back. Your friends are morons.
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Postby Dangine » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:12 pm

I would like to say "I don't see it going down in the future". I just hope homophobes don't get control and fulfill their agenda.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:17 pm

Dangine wrote:I would like to say "I don't see it going down in the future". I just hope homophobes don't get control and fulfill their agenda.


What makes you think they would when in many countries in Europe and the Americas its widely accepted?

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Postby Atheris » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:19 pm

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Dangine wrote:I would like to say "I don't see it going down in the future". I just hope homophobes don't get control and fulfill their agenda.


What makes you think they would when in many countries in Europe and the Americas its widely accepted?

We saw it 4 years ago, and it's currently happening in Poland, Hungary, and I think Brazil.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:21 pm

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What makes you think they would when in many countries in Europe and the Americas its widely accepted?

We saw it 4 years ago, and it's currently happening in Poland, Hungary, and I think Brazil.


The path for that started a long time ago. Those three countries have not been LGBT friendly. Attitudes have not changed in recent years.

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Postby Prydania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
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I was taught not to write the Holy Name of G-d and instead use other names out of respect.

Then why are you censoring the word God?

Also, another name he can go by is Jehovah, but not the Jehovah of the cult, it's pronounced Yehovah because in Ancient Hebrew J sounds like Y.

:roll:

I too grew up being taught in Hebrew school to write "G-d," even if "god" when capitalized isn't the Lord's proper name. The reason is because capitalized "god," among English speaking Jews, has become the de facto proper name for the Almighty. Jewish religious law doesn't say that you must type it as "G-d," but it's done for cultural reasons. Maybe you don't get it, maybe you disagree with it, but it's the high point of cultural chauvinism to go "this thing you people do is wrong because I say so." How about you back off and let us do our thing, yeah? Especially for something as inconsequential as writing "G-d."

Also..."Jehovah" is not the name of G-d. It's a mispronunciation/spelling error based on guesswork because ancient Hebrew didn't write vowels down. The vast majority of both Jewish religious scholars and academic linguists who study near-east languages agree that the Hebrew name of G-d is Y-hweh.
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Postby Aogensokyo » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Aogensokyo wrote:This surprises me, but my foreign friends say that it is popular to be LGBT in the West and that many LGBT there are just going through phases like it is a fad. I don't know, there aren't many LGBT people here in my country so I am not sure what to think.


Complete and utter rubbish. They are giving you false information. Its not a trendy or cool thing to do as that implies its a choice which it is not.

As a gay man I can tell you i did not chose to be gay.


I don't know. I have read some say that it is a choice and some say it is by birth. Maybe it is different for different people. So it might be partially a trend because things that were once frowned upon are now cool sometimes. That seems to be especially true in the West from what I have heard.

Here it was once considered bad for men to wear shorts or to dye your hair, but now more people do it because it is considered cool now.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:36 am

Aogensokyo wrote:I don't know. I have read some say that it is a choice and some say it is by birth. Maybe it is different for different people. So it might be partially a trend because things that were once frowned upon are now cool sometimes. That seems to be especially true in the West from what I have heard.

Here it was once considered bad for men to wear shorts or to dye your hair, but now more people do it because it is considered cool now.

What do you think would actually happen if one of these people who you are clearly implying is just someone being gay to be "cool" got to the bedroom stage? As I said previously to someone else:

The New California Republic wrote:If you are meaning that someone pretends to be gay when they are not, it'd be pretty apparent if they are or not when it gets to the stage of doing stuff. It'd likely be immediately obvious to the other party that they are not by the inexplicable hesitation and evasiveness, unless of course they can somehow engage in cognitive dissonance by compartmentalising the fact they aren't gay and yet still be able to carry on with it, such as in instances of gay for pay for example. I very much doubt though that someone would jump through that many hoops simply to look "cool" though.
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