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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:59 pm

More accepting attitudes towards LGBT+ people probably account for this.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:05 pm

Palmyrion wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's not an easy way to follow and you're not a bad person if you don't.

>Not a bad person if you don't
>1 Cor 6:9-10

Pick one

:lol2:

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Postby Rusozak » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:More accepting attitudes towards LGBT+ people probably account for this.


This. I don't think there's a greater percentage of LGBT+ people than at any other point, just fewer in the closet.
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Postby Palmyrion » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:19 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:>Not a bad person if you don't
>1 Cor 6:9-10

Pick one

:lol2:

Don't quote scripture out of context at me. Anyone can lead a virtuous life and the Lord is merciful.

"YOuR bIbLe vErSe iS oUTTA coNtEXt"

You're just moving the goalposts, dear. This is one of the proper contexts which it can be cited. By virtue of 1 Cor 6:9-10 homosexuals by virtue of being people who have gay sex can't be virtuous. The Lord may be merciful, but also just - and He will mete out justice by hook and by crook, for it is His Will, His Creation. He can do anything He wants with his Creation, even massacre it wholesale, and it will be moral because it's His Divine Will.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:21 pm

I think it's good but I have to wonder if it's a full spread of more people identifying period who were in the 'closet' all along or if this recent feeling that you're no longer going to be stigmatized or oppressed for it means that there are more people now willing to experiment?

Either way is good I suppose?

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Loeje wrote:I suppose that's a good thing, but there are still problems and we shouldn't ignore that.

I agree. There is still discrimination as well as a rise in hate crimes.

Many of the supposed "Hate Crimes" is mostly just muggings because millions are still out of work and money because of COVID.
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Postby Auzkhia » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loeje wrote:I suppose that's a good thing, but there are still problems and we shouldn't ignore that.


I agree. There is still discrimination as well as a rise in hate crimes.

A lot of them are specifically transphobia, especially against Black trans women.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:28 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:I think it's good but I have to wonder if it's a full spread of more people identifying period who were in the 'closet' all along or if this recent feeling that you're no longer going to be stigmatized or oppressed for it means that there are more people now willing to experiment?

Either way is good I suppose?

San Lumen wrote:I agree. There is still discrimination as well as a rise in hate crimes.

Many of the supposed "Hate Crimes" is mostly just muggings because millions are still out of work and money because of COVID.


You have evidence for that claim?

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Postby Estado Novo Portugues » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:58 pm

OP, there's a spelling error in your title. "Then" should be "than". Thanks!
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:06 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:Many of the supposed "Hate Crimes" is mostly just muggings because millions are still out of work and money because of COVID.

I doubt it, especially in a country like the United States, a country with a long history of racially motivated hate crimes.
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:08 pm

i'm still not one of them, despite qualifying. the data won't really reflect people like me who fall under the label but reject its use for one reason or another, so assume a little fluctuation in the numbers.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:36 pm

Palmyrion wrote:
Sundiata wrote: :lol2:

Don't quote scripture out of context at me. Anyone can lead a virtuous life and the Lord is merciful.

"YOuR bIbLe vErSe iS oUTTA coNtEXt"

You're just moving the goalposts, dear. This is one of the proper contexts which it can be cited. By virtue of 1 Cor 6:9-10 homosexuals by virtue of being people who have gay sex can't be virtuous. The Lord may be merciful, but also just - and He will mete out justice by hook and by crook, for it is His Will, His Creation. He can do anything He wants with his Creation, even massacre it wholesale, and it will be moral because it's His Divine Will.

There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:38 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:"YOuR bIbLe vErSe iS oUTTA coNtEXt"

You're just moving the goalposts, dear. This is one of the proper contexts which it can be cited. By virtue of 1 Cor 6:9-10 homosexuals by virtue of being people who have gay sex can't be virtuous. The Lord may be merciful, but also just - and He will mete out justice by hook and by crook, for it is His Will, His Creation. He can do anything He wants with his Creation, even massacre it wholesale, and it will be moral because it's His Divine Will.

There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.

I mean, you haven't read the Torah in it's original Ancient Hebrew.

So do you really know the bible?
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:53 pm

New haven america wrote:
Sundiata wrote:There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.

I mean, you haven't read the Torah in it's original Ancient Hebrew.

So do you really know the bible?

I leave the high-level theological mastery to the cardinals who have. But if you're asking what I believe you're asking then I have by no means mastered Christianity or Christ's teachings. In the context of God's will, I know almost nothing. I'm lucky enough to know that he loves everyone though, including people who identify as homosexual.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:15 am

New haven america wrote:
Sundiata wrote:There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.

I mean, you haven't read the Torah in it's original Ancient Hebrew.

So do you really know the bible?
I recall that there was a real literal translation of the new testament put out and apparently it's super different. I mean I assume the *content* is the same, but the tone ain't.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:38 am

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:"YOuR bIbLe vErSe iS oUTTA coNtEXt"

You're just moving the goalposts, dear. This is one of the proper contexts which it can be cited. By virtue of 1 Cor 6:9-10 homosexuals by virtue of being people who have gay sex can't be virtuous. The Lord may be merciful, but also just - and He will mete out justice by hook and by crook, for it is His Will, His Creation. He can do anything He wants with his Creation, even massacre it wholesale, and it will be moral because it's His Divine Will.

There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.


Great to know God considers Hitler and stalin good guys.
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Postby Philixico » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:47 am

Yey

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Postby New haven america » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:53 am

Kubra wrote:
New haven america wrote:I mean, you haven't read the Torah in it's original Ancient Hebrew.

So do you really know the bible?
I recall that there was a real literal translation of the new testament put out and apparently it's super different. I mean I assume the *content* is the same, but the tone ain't.

There's also a ton of differences between The Torah and Old Testament.

For example, the passage "Man shall not lay with a man as he does a woman" doesn't actually use the word Hebrew word for "Man" for the 2nd "Man." It actually uses a word that context sensitive and can used for either boy or man, depending on context.

So it's actually super likely it's talking about pedophilia and not homosexuality.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:40 am

Broader Confederate States wrote:
i'm still not one of them, despite qualifying. the data won't really reflect people like me who fall under the label but reject its use for one reason or another, so assume a little fluctuation in the numbers.


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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:42 am

Philixico wrote:Yey


You do you.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:44 am

there is also the fact that it is now the "cool" thing to do/be.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:18 am

Big Jim P wrote:there is also the fact that it is now the "cool" thing to do/be.

It depends how far you think this goes. If you are meaning that someone pretends to be gay when they are not, it'd be pretty apparent if they are or not when it gets to the stage of doing stuff. It'd likely be immediately obvious to the other party that they are not by the inexplicable hesitation and evasiveness, unless of course they can somehow engage in cognitive dissonance by compartmentalising the fact they aren't gay and yet still be able to carry on with it, such as in instances of gay for pay for example. I very much doubt though that someone would jump through that many hoops simply to look "cool" though.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:57 am

Big Jim P wrote:there is also the fact that it is now the "cool" thing to do/be.


What do you mean by that? I very much doubt that's a factor.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:04 am

Sundiata wrote:There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.

isn't one of the main arguments against atheism that it removes any objective foundation for a system of morals

if God thinks it's all relative too then really what are you all doing over there
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:06 am

Sundiata wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:"YOuR bIbLe vErSe iS oUTTA coNtEXt"

You're just moving the goalposts, dear. This is one of the proper contexts which it can be cited. By virtue of 1 Cor 6:9-10 homosexuals by virtue of being people who have gay sex can't be virtuous. The Lord may be merciful, but also just - and He will mete out justice by hook and by crook, for it is His Will, His Creation. He can do anything He wants with his Creation, even massacre it wholesale, and it will be moral because it's His Divine Will.

There is a divine will and a way that we're supposed to conduct ourselves but if people don't know or are struggling to follow it, the Lord can forgive. God loves everyone and that includes homosexuals. Just because someone sins doesn't make them a bad person. God gets it. There's no such thing as a bad person in the eyes of the Lord.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:11 am

Big Jim P wrote:there is also the fact that it is now the "cool" thing to do/be.

This wasn't true when you heard it about kids on Tumblr ten years ago, and it isn't true now.
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