Hocalı Genocide Memorial Thread

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

/= means "is not"

No man, he is intentionally misunderstanding you, he did this in my Armenian Genocide thread

No, I don't understand what you're trying to say, please Risottia. Can you explain what you mean ?

Well, genocide is wrong regardless of who's doing it or denying it. I don't see anyone acknowledging this one except for the OP and I'm afraid that I don't keep up with NSG forum drama.

Of course, what Armenia did in 1992 was terrible but what do you expect from a country who has enemies from both the point of sunrise and sunset

This is just a product of your bad thoughtful dream. No matter who does the genocide, we have to be against them regardless of their nation. The Armenian occupation army killed the children and you think I used this genocide as a veil, I am really sorry for your opinion.

[Morburn]

I'm thinking you got owned

[The Islands of Versilia]

Kemal, you don't think [about]
the blood you have shed?
The soil of Anatolia
you have reddened.
The soil of Anatolia
you have reddened.
Kemal, you don't think [about]
the blood you have shed?

In [the] Magnesias (1) mountains,
inside the gorges,
they slaughtered women & children —
62,000.
They slaughtered women & children —
62,000.
In [the] Magnesias (1) mountains
inside the gorges.

In Smyrna, (2) they slaughtered the lambs,
in the Poli, (3) the rams.
And in Reisdere (4),
they are slaughtering young men, (5)
and in Reisdere (4)
they are slaughtering young men (5).
In Smyrna, (2) they slaughtered the lambs,
in the Poli (3), the rams.

My God, how
did you endure
such injustice?
In the Christian villages
to be inhabited by Turks,
to be inhabited by Turks? (6)

[Suomalainem]

Well, genocide is wrong regardless of who's doing it or denying it. I don't see anyone acknowledging this one except for the OP and I'm afraid that I don't keep up with NSG forum drama.

Of course, what Armenia did in 1992 was terrible but what do you expect from a country who has enemies from both the point of sunrise and sunset

What you EXPECT is to not let any more lives be lost AND MAKE A TREATY. War is not necessary.

[Risottia]

No man, he is intentionally misunderstanding you, he did this in my Armenian Genocide thread

No, I don't understand what you're trying to say, please Risottia. Can you explain what you mean ?

I have already.

[Suomalainem]

ATTENTION: STOP ARGUING! THIS THREAD IS TO PAY RESPECT TO THE 1.5M PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED!!!!!!!! PAY RESPECT!!!! STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP!

[Rusozak]

No man, he is intentionally misunderstanding you, he did this in my Armenian Genocide thread

No, I don't understand what you're trying to say, please Risottia. Can you explain what you mean ?

Of course, what Armenia did in 1992 was terrible but what do you expect from a country who has enemies from both the point of sunrise and sunset

This is just a product of your bad thoughtful dream. No matter who does the genocide, we have to be against them regardless of their nation. The Armenian occupation army killed the children and you think I used this genocide as a veil, I am really sorry for your opinion.

So does that mean you acknowledge the Armenian Genocide too?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

220 deaths vs 1.5 million deaths, yet calls the Armenian Genocide "so called". Typical Azeri nationalist

He's a Pan-Turkist. He only sees "Turks" and "not Turks."

[The Huskar Social Union]

I love that basically every comment has called you out for your poorly hidden bullshit.

What happened was horrible but we all know the real reason you are making this thread is because you are soo desperate to drum up anti-Armenian sentiment whenever you can.

In the middle of a terrible war a horrifying massacre took place that you don’t care about enough to even call the victims of it Azeris. That you call this genocide but described that against the Armenians the “so called genocide” shows your priorities aren’t towards remembrance or respect towards the dead.

Nailed it.

[The Slayers Republic]

We can all see through your bullshit, Hakinda. Your only doing this to satisfy the ultranationalist in you.

220-600 deaths (which is more if a war crime than genocide, keep in mind.) vs 1.5 million deaths in a actual, by-the-books genocide that your government keeps denying that it even fucking happened. It's nice seeing you use the deaths of your own brethren to you're own goddamn benefit.


Fuck you.

[Senkaku]

220 deaths vs 1.5 million deaths, yet calls the Armenian Genocide "so called". Typical Azeri nationalist

Are you saying that 613 souls are not important to you, it's a shame

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Are you saying that 613 souls are not important to you, it's a shame

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Please explain what is the definition of genocide for you. Isn't it meant to take action to eradicate a certain ethnic origin by planning ?

[The Slayers Republic]

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Please explain what is the definition of genocide for you. Isn't it meant to take action to eradicate a certain ethnic origin by planning ?

The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

[Salus Maior]

Are you saying that 613 souls are not important to you, it's a shame

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Ok, hold up here.

Genocide is not actually defined by amount of people killed, despite that being the common conception of what a genocide is.

A genocide is the extermination of people on an ethnic basis, the murder of a people because they're a certain people. What happened at Khojaly was absolutely genocidal, and we shouldn't gloss over that simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan deny a greater genocide (which of course is deplorable).

That being said, I find it very suspicious that he's made this thread just when the Armenian genocide thread was made.

[Salus Maior]

In the middle of a terrible war a horrifying massacre took place that you don’t care about enough to even call the victims of it Azeris. That you call this genocide but described that against the Armenians the “so called genocide” shows your priorities aren’t towards remembrance or respect towards the dead.

^ Nailed it.

[Salus Maior]

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Please explain what is the definition of genocide for you. Isn't it meant to take action to eradicate a certain ethnic origin by planning ?

You mean what the three Pashas and the Turkish government and nation did to the Anatolian Armenians between 1915 and 1922? And Azerbaijan did in the 90's to Azeri Armenians?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Please explain what is the definition of genocide for you. Isn't it meant to take action to eradicate a certain ethnic origin by planning ?

You mean what the three Pashas and the Turkish government and nation did to the Anatolian Armenians between 1915 and 1922? And Azerbaijan did in the 90's to Azeri Armenians?

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Ok, hold up here.

Genocide is not actually defined by amount of people killed, despite that being the common conception of what a genocide is.

A genocide is the extermination of people on an ethnic basis, the murder of a people because they're a certain people. What happened at Khojaly was absolutely genocidal, and we shouldn't gloss over that simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan deny a greater genocide (which of course is deplorable).

That being said, I find it very suspicious that he's made this thread just when the Armenian genocide thread was made.

I wanted a clear definition of genocide regardless of religion, language or race. Because some people reject the genocide you are telling just because they are Turkish and Muslim. Systematically 613 people were killed in the Hocalı genocide.

[Adab]

I only recently became aware of the Khojaly massacre while reading about the latest conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.

I agree that more people should know about it. The details were horrifying.

I think it's a good thing that this massacre has been brought to the attention of the NationStates forum.

I only wish that OP will clearly and explicitly demonstrate that they are doing it in good faith and with good intentions, rather than as an exercise in whataboutism in relation to the Armenian Genocide and an attempt to distract from the Armenian Genocide Memorial Thread.

[Salus Maior]

I only wish that OP will clearly and explicitly demonstrate that they are doing it in good faith and with good intentions, rather than as an exercise in whataboutism in relation to the Armenian Genocide and an attempt to distract from the Armenian Genocide Memorial Thread.

Yeah, there's no hope of that, bud.

[Adab]

I only wish that OP will clearly and explicitly demonstrate that they are doing it in good faith and with good intentions, rather than as an exercise in whataboutism in relation to the Armenian Genocide and an attempt to distract from the Armenian Genocide Memorial Thread.

Yeah, there's no hope of that, bud.

I don't hold out much hope either, to be honest.

[Salus Maior]

I wanted a clear definition of genocide regardless of religion, language or race. Because some people reject the genocide you are telling just because they are Turkish and Muslim. Systematically 613 people were killed in the Hocalı genocide.

They're not rejecting the atrocity that happened in Khojaly, but your obvious agenda behind presenting it, lack of good faith, and the fact that you pretend to be this great humanitarian but are so obviously a Turkish ethnonationalist.

[Senkaku]

613 is a very bad day in an American public school, not a "genocide"

Ok, hold up here.

Genocide is not actually defined by amount of people killed, despite that being the common conception of what a genocide is.

A genocide is the extermination of people on an ethnic basis, the murder of a people because they're a certain people. What happened at Khojaly was absolutely genocidal, and we shouldn't gloss over that simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan deny a greater genocide (which of course is deplorable).

That being said, I find it very suspicious that he's made this thread just when the Armenian genocide thread was made.

The opposition of right-wing types in the West to defining it thusly (because they don't want to call the way we treat Black people or Indigenous people in the US or Europe "genocide," even though according to such a definition it absolutely is) means it's functionally also taken on an element of scale in its definition or usage

this was a massacre, it was ethnic cleansing, but no one would call it a genocide on its own

[Rusozak]

You mean what the three Pashas and the Turkish government and nation did to the Anatolian Armenians between 1915 and 1922? And Azerbaijan did in the 90's to Azeri Armenians?

Ok, hold up here.

Genocide is not actually defined by amount of people killed, despite that being the common conception of what a genocide is.

A genocide is the extermination of people on an ethnic basis, the murder of a people because they're a certain people. What happened at Khojaly was absolutely genocidal, and we shouldn't gloss over that simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan deny a greater genocide (which of course is deplorable).

That being said, I find it very suspicious that he's made this thread just when the Armenian genocide thread was made.

I wanted a clear definition of genocide regardless of religion, language or race. Because some people reject the genocide you are telling just because they are Turkish and Muslim. Systematically 613 people were killed in the Hocalı genocide.

This isn't because of the ethnicity of the victims (they were Azeri, btw) or their religion, you don't get to pull the race card here. You are quite clearly trying to divert attention away from the Armenian Genocide and using these victims as a political prop to further your Turkish supremacism. All of your arguments and behaviors are the same thing the Nazis used to justify seizing ethnically German lands, and used by Neo-Nazis today to downplay the Holocaust. Textbook genocide denial.

[Salus Maior]

Ok, hold up here.

Genocide is not actually defined by amount of people killed, despite that being the common conception of what a genocide is.

A genocide is the extermination of people on an ethnic basis, the murder of a people because they're a certain people. What happened at Khojaly was absolutely genocidal, and we shouldn't gloss over that simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan deny a greater genocide (which of course is deplorable).

That being said, I find it very suspicious that he's made this thread just when the Armenian genocide thread was made.

The opposition of right-wing types in the West to defining it thusly (because they don't want to call the way we treat Black people or Indigenous people in the US or Europe "genocide," even though according to such a definition it absolutely is) means it's functionally also taken on an element of scale in its definition or usage

I mean, I don't think we should defer to right-wing types in the West (or anywhere) to define genocide.

I honestly prefer the original outline of genocidal behavior by the guy who coined the term after witnessing the mass murders of WWII, Raphael Lempkin. Which he lines out here.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I only recently became aware of the Khojaly massacre while reading about the latest conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.

I agree that more people should know about it. The details were horrifying.

I think it's a good thing that this massacre has been brought to the attention of the NationStates forum.

I only wish that OP will clearly and explicitly demonstrate that they are doing it in good faith and with good intentions, rather than as an exercise in whataboutism in relation to the Armenian Genocide and an attempt to distract from the Armenian Genocide Memorial Thread.

I do not have such a goal, they continue to commit cyberbullying with slander, although I constantly say this. I will be with those who are persecuted, wherever they are in the world.