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Postby Mercatus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The kill should be as quick as possible, what are going on about?

The process of killing.


Simple. *Bang*

What's morally questionable about that?
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Sundiata wrote:The process of killing.


Simple. *Bang*

What's morally questionable about that?

The animal isn’t allowed the dignity of a prolonged death or something, I don’t fucking know.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:The kill should be as quick as possible, what are going on about?

The process of killing.

That process should be expedited, and ideally done in a manner that causes the least pain to the animal. Destroying the heart or brain accomplished that goal.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 pm

I’m going to pop into this thread and say that, for the sake of this circlejerk with Sunny, the Catechism says we are to be stewards to animals, and the Bible mentions that any time an animal is killed, most parts of it should be used (Passover, Abraham and Isaac, the Bread and Fish miracle, etc.) Letting an animal suffer needlessly is cruel and disrespectful of the gift God has given a person in that animal’s meat, skin, bones, whatever might be used. Also, Native Americans-in one example, the Lakota-actually thank The Great Spirit before they cut apart a buffalo. And they use THE WHOLE buffalo. And make sure to kill it in a way that is quick, if possible. There is no dignity in forcing an animal to suffer, or wasting it, if you are going to hunt it.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 pm

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Sundiata wrote:We're not meant to live like other animals. That is not who we are. We're better than that.

Yeah. So why do you want us to kill our prey slowly like they do?

Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience without being too gruesome.
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Postby Mercatus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 pm

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Mercatus wrote:
Simple. *Bang*

What's morally questionable about that?

The animal isn’t allowed the dignity of a prolonged death or something, I don’t fucking know.


That's not dying with dignity. That's just cruel.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:04 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah. So why do you want us to kill our prey slowly like they do?

Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience.

Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:04 pm

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Mercatus wrote:
Simple. *Bang*

What's morally questionable about that?

The animal isn’t allowed the dignity of a prolonged death or something, I don’t fucking know.

"Dignity".

I once found a deer that had been mauled by a wolf but was still alive. It would have died some 15 minutes later judging by the wounds it had sustained to its torso. That deer was gasping, in pain, its chest was moving rapidly, with ragged inhales and exhales. That is not dignity. That is an atrocity, that suffering is an abomination. I aimed my .308 rifle at its head and pulled the trigger. Am I a brute for doing that? If I am, so be it. I'd rather be a taker of life than a prolonger of torture.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:06 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience.

Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?
No, this is a really difficult idea to express.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:06 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah. So why do you want us to kill our prey slowly like they do?

Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience without being too gruesome.


That's exceptionally cruel, wtf
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:07 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?
No, this is a really difficult idea to express.

Maybe because it's fucked up?
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:07 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?
No, this is a really difficult idea to express.

Maybe it’s because its fucking horrific of you to admit to sadism?
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Postby Mercatus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:08 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience.

Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?


How are you supposed to savor the experience anyway? I'm just confused.

The joy in hunting is providing a good meal for you, your friends, your family, or maybe that guy who hasn't been able to eat for the past week. Donating a kill to Feed the Hungry was the part I savored about hunting, not killing it.

However, it is possible to "savor" the experience of group hunts with friends, especially going after groups of animals like hogs in coyotes. The joy is in gunning as many of those fuckers down as you can in one night.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:10 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah. So why do you want us to kill our prey slowly like they do?

Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience without being too gruesome.

Fuck that. I want that fucker to fold like a cheap lawn chair. The longer you let an animal linger in pain the more adrenaline is being pumped into the meat, making it tough.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:10 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?


How are you supposed to savor the experience anyway? I'm just confused.

The joy in hunting is providing a good meal for you, your friends, your family, or maybe that guy who hasn't been able to eat for the past week. Donating a kill to Feed the Hungry was the part I savored about hunting, not killing it.

However, it is possible to "savor" the experience of group hunts with friends, especially going after groups of animals like hogs in coyotes. The joy is in gunning as many of those fuckers down as you can in one night.

You can savor pulling the trigger, blowing them away immediately. However, savoring pain and suffering, savoring the life leaving them slowly? That is depraved.
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Postby Mercatus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:I want that fucker to fold like a cheap lawn chair.


:rofl:

That made my fuckin' day man.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not too slowly, not too quickly. While we don't want to enjoy unnecessary pain we also want to savor the experience without being too gruesome.

Fuck that. I want that fucker to fold like a cheap lawn chair. The longer you let an animal linger in pain the more adrenaline is being pumped into the meat, making it tough.

Forget the meat, consider the savoring of a creature's pain and suffering.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:11 pm

Mercatus wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why the fuck are you savoring another creature’s pain?


How are you supposed to savor the experience anyway? I'm just confused.

The joy in hunting is providing a good meal for you, your friends, your family, or maybe that guy who hasn't been able to eat for the past week. Donating a kill to Feed the Hungry was the part I savored about hunting, not killing it.

However, it is possible to "savor" the experience of group hunts with friends, especially going after groups of animals like hogs in coyotes. The joy is in gunning as many of those fuckers down as you can in one night.

I can understand taking joy in succeeding at a difficult hunt. That’s completely normal and understandable. But savoring the pain of a dying creature? That’s just monstrous.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:12 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Sundiata wrote:No, this is a really difficult idea to express.

Maybe it’s because its fucking horrific of you to admit to sadism?

The joy is not just in the kill itself. That's what I'm trying to say.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:12 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Fuck that. I want that fucker to fold like a cheap lawn chair. The longer you let an animal linger in pain the more adrenaline is being pumped into the meat, making it tough.

Forget the meat, consider the savoring of a creature's pain and suffering.

Which is why I said, "fuck that"

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:13 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
How are you supposed to savor the experience anyway? I'm just confused.

The joy in hunting is providing a good meal for you, your friends, your family, or maybe that guy who hasn't been able to eat for the past week. Donating a kill to Feed the Hungry was the part I savored about hunting, not killing it.

However, it is possible to "savor" the experience of group hunts with friends, especially going after groups of animals like hogs in coyotes. The joy is in gunning as many of those fuckers down as you can in one night.

I can understand taking joy in succeeding at a difficult hunt. That’s completely normal and understandable. But savoring the pain of a dying creature? That’s just monstrous.

I've never really liked killing. It's more of an adrenaline rush. It gave me jitters and pumped me up occasionally. I have never relished in an animal's pain however. That certainly sobers and saddens me.
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Postby Shu Chengdu » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:13 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote: The longer you let an animal linger in pain the more adrenaline is being pumped into the meat, making it tough.


I legit didn’t know that.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:13 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Maybe it’s because its fucking horrific of you to admit to sadism?

The joy is not just in the kill itself. That's what I'm trying to say.

We got that. You enjoy the suffering.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:14 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Maybe it’s because its fucking horrific of you to admit to sadism?

The joy is not just in the kill itself. That's what I'm trying to say.

No, no. You flat out said we shouldn’t kill the animal quickly because we ought to savor the experience. Please explain what in the fuck you mean by that.
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Postby Mercatus » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:14 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
How are you supposed to savor the experience anyway? I'm just confused.

The joy in hunting is providing a good meal for you, your friends, your family, or maybe that guy who hasn't been able to eat for the past week. Donating a kill to Feed the Hungry was the part I savored about hunting, not killing it.

However, it is possible to "savor" the experience of group hunts with friends, especially going after groups of animals like hogs in coyotes. The joy is in gunning as many of those fuckers down as you can in one night.

I can understand taking joy in succeeding at a difficult hunt. That’s completely normal and understandable. But savoring the pain of a dying creature? That’s just monstrous.


Agreed. Enjoying another creature's suffering essentially amounts to torture. This is the woods, not Guantanamo Forest.
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