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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
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I imagine that no video game would even come close to giving me near the same quality of life experience of an actual hunt in the great outdoors.

Pity.

Paddy O Fernature wrote:However, don't knock it till you try it. Hell you might actually realize that you like it if you do.


If you think those those things are even remotely comparable at any level, then I seriously have to beg to question the last time you actually experienced either of those things. :roll:

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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:10 am

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I was talking about recreational hunting.

You can hunt for fun, and donate the meat. Which most people apparently do.


Well that should be illegal. We have meat inspectors for a reason: it's to stop unscrupulous farmers from selling unhealthy meat to dumbass city consumers who think there's nothing wrong with it.

"Wild" meat is even more likely to have parasites or diseases, and if the hunter won't eat it themselves, then there should be harsh penalties for trying to sell it without inspection.

And I'd double the penalty for selling, if it's donated. Don't ask me to give someone who is only interested in killing animals, credit for salving their conscience by "donating to charity". The actual ****

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease ... probably introduced by wild food
COVID-fucking-19 ............. probably introduced by wild food

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ok ,we should do that, i mean that we should be safe

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:12 am

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Well that should be illegal. We have meat inspectors for a reason: it's to stop unscrupulous farmers from selling unhealthy meat to dumbass city consumers who think there's nothing wrong with it.

"Wild" meat is even more likely to have parasites or diseases, and if the hunter won't eat it themselves, then there should be harsh penalties for trying to sell it without inspection.

And I'd double the penalty for selling, if it's donated. Don't ask me to give someone who is only interested in killing animals, credit for salving their conscience by "donating to charity". The actual ****

Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease ... probably introduced by wild food
COVID-fucking-19 ............. probably introduced by wild food

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ok ,we should do that, i mean that we should be safe

And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:15 am

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The united states of sonindia wrote:ok ,we should do that, i mean that we should be safe

And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?


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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:15 am

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ok ,we should do that, i mean that we should be safe
NO , that not what i mean, im not talking about corporations
And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:16 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote: NO , that not what i mean, im not talking about corporations
And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?

i think this was formatted wrong lol
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:17 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:And you trust the companies who torture their animals and pump a myriad of hormones, antibiotics, and other such chemicals into live animals, who plump them up and keep them in crowded pens more?


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:17 am

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If you think those those things are even remotely comparable at any level, then I seriously have to beg to question the last time you actually experienced either of those things. :roll:

I'm not comparing anything. I'm just echoing your sentiment of not knocking things until you try them. You'll never know the quality of life experiences you might have with a game if you're just imagining and not trying them.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:19 am

Yeah, it should be. Because it will disrupt some of the food chain for other animals.

Hunting should be done for food only. While some animals themselves hunt for fun, being self-conscious, we are the most deadly of the animal kingdom and we can regulate ourselves to prevent mass killings.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:Get out of you parents basement and actually contribute something to society

Staying in your parents' basement is a great way to contribute to society at the moment.


Truth! Though I wouldn't say the last year has been a good one for me. And certainly I could have made greater contributions to society. I'm a poet! But let's not go there.

Wait, there's a quote from Voltaire or some ...

"All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone" -- Blaise Pascal

Yeah, well. French dude, that's close enough. Born wealthy, mother died when he was young, step-mother and father never married. Hey this guy's a liberal, right? Good at everything, outstanding at nothing, what they used to call a "polymath" but nowadays in a bigger pool would be a "dilettante".

Yeah, if everyone had money to fall back on and a head full of sporadic ideas, we could indeed all live in our rooms alone, and all achieve peaceful deaths in our 80's or 110's. And society would be none the worse for it.
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Postby Mozambiki » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:24 am

Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed (allowed isn't the right term, what I meant was shouldn't be a thing, like it's not imo ethically good)

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:26 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Yes, killing something for fun is extremely twisted.

Play a video game instead.

Get out of you parents basement and actually contribute something to society


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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:27 am

Mozambiki wrote:Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed.

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:


If you wish, I can even link you guided bow hunts for dangerous game, if you wish to truly prove yourself the better.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:27 am

Jolthig wrote:Yeah, it should be. Because it will disrupt some of the food chain for other animals.

Hunting should be done for food only. While some animals themselves hunt for fun, being self-conscious, we are the most deadly of the animal kingdom and we can regulate ourselves to prevent mass killings.

What about to preserve property, the environment, and for population control?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:29 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah, it should be. Because it will disrupt some of the food chain for other animals.

Hunting should be done for food only. While some animals themselves hunt for fun, being self-conscious, we are the most deadly of the animal kingdom and we can regulate ourselves to prevent mass killings.

What about to preserve property, the environment, and for population control?


You know the answer to that already...

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:30 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:What about to preserve property, the environment, and for population control?


You know the answer to that already...

You'd be surprised.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:32 am

Mozambiki wrote:Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed.

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:

Probably does take a fair bit of practice and skill. Depending on how far you mean by "very far".
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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:33 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Mozambiki wrote:Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed.

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:


If you wish, I can even link you guided bow hunts for dangerous game, if you wish to truly prove yourself the better.

i dont think you fund enviroment,you dont know that are liveing things ,not stone that can be destroyed and regenerate

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:34 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
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If you wish, I can even link you guided bow hunts for dangerous game, if you wish to truly prove yourself the better.

i dont think you fund enviroment,you dont know that are liveing things ,not stone that can be destroyed and regenerate


Literally wut?

Come again?
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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:35 am

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The united states of sonindia wrote:i dont think you fund enviroment,you dont know that are liveing things ,not stone that can be destroyed and regenerate


Literally wut?

Come again?

im saying that you really like to hunt

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Postby Kathol Rift » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:35 am

Mozambiki wrote:Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed.

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:

I posted a quote relevant to this a while back here, lemme find it... Ah, there it is.
Kathol Rift wrote:Well, I guess this makes me barbaric, which I don't necessarily take as an insult, but I do enjoy hunting. That is not equivalent to enjoying killing though. If I may borrow a quote from a professional hunter and author (feel free to call him a barbarian too, if you like) "Just as one may indeed slaughter an animal from a safe distance, one may also hunt a particular one under a code of rules that is part of the same ethic that forbids passing signals to a partner at cards, shooting sitting ducks, or using bait in fly-only trout streams." Contrary to the seeming belief of the OP, us hunters are not walking out into the forest with a rifle and a beer trying to shoot everything in sight for the sheer hell of it. Hunting is more than killing, and I, personally, enjoy the hunting part more than the killing.

I would include the conservation evidence as well, but others in the thread seem to have that well handled.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:36 am

Jolthig wrote:Yeah, it should be. Because it will disrupt some of the food chain for other animals.

Hunting should be done for food only. While some animals themselves hunt for fun, being self-conscious, we are the most deadly of the animal kingdom and we can regulate ourselves to prevent mass killings.


Well there's nothing wrong there. Just a few gaps.

Yes it will disrupt the food chain. But bear in mind that every continent has a disrupted food chain (or food web as they say now: too far the other way imo) and that "over-breeding" of one species isn't necessarily bad. We shouldn't justify killing as "keeping the ecosystem balanced" when we have no idea what the natural balance is. We should kill, or allow killing, only of those species which scientists deem to be forcing the balance in an unnecessarily destructive way ... destructive being species extinctions.


We are the most deadly of the animal kingdom and we can regulate ourselves to prevent mass killings


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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:37 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Literally wut?

Come again?

im saying that you really like to hunt


Huh.

Clearly something was lost in transition there....

As for liking to hunt, yes. And....?

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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:39 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The united states of sonindia wrote:im saying that you really like to hunt


Huh.

Clearly something was lost in transition there....

As for liking to hunt, yes. And....?

do you it recreationally are for selling meat

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:40 am

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Mozambiki wrote:Hunting for trophies is just plain retarded. Hunting for food is just fine, for controlling populations it's reasonable, hunting for trophies and killing majestic animals so just you can take a picture besides its carcass shouldn't be allowed.

And what a hunter one must be, it must be so hard to kill a lion or an elephant from very far away and only with a scoped rifle :roll:

I posted a quote relevant to this a while back here, lemme find it... Ah, there it is.
Kathol Rift wrote:Well, I guess this makes me barbaric, which I don't necessarily take as an insult, but I do enjoy hunting. That is not equivalent to enjoying killing though. If I may borrow a quote from a professional hunter and author (feel free to call him a barbarian too, if you like) "Just as one may indeed slaughter an animal from a safe distance, one may also hunt a particular one under a code of rules that is part of the same ethic that forbids passing signals to a partner at cards, shooting sitting ducks, or using bait in fly-only trout streams." Contrary to the seeming belief of the OP, us hunters are not walking out into the forest with a rifle and a beer trying to shoot everything in sight for the sheer hell of it. Hunting is more than killing, and I, personally, enjoy the hunting part more than the killing.

I would include the conservation evidence as well, but others in the thread seem to have that well handled.


Oh, nice. Why not just tag the animal instead of killing it then?
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