Should Hunting for Sport be Banned?

[Kernen]

Been hunting since I could walk, I'm there to get my food and get out, I'm efficient at killin' animals, no fuss no muss, no pleasure, there to do a job, that's it.

While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?

Quality meat is reason enough for joy, honestly.

There will come a day when meat will hardly be eaten.

Until then, I intend to keep enjoying bacon.

Questionable and regardless, that day is not this day.

On the subject of fairness in a hunt, nah. I’m not going to feel bad if my species’ inherent superiority makes it easier for us to kill deer and such. They want a fair chance? Then they ought to get good.

We are superior to animals and that's why we shouldn't treat them with cruelty.

Hunting is not inherently cruel.

[Sundiata]

While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?


There will come a day when meat will hardly be eaten.

Until then, I intend to keep enjoying bacon.

We are superior to animals and that's why we shouldn't treat them with cruelty.

Hunting is not inherently cruel.

I know, I endorse hunting. I don't endorse shooting animals with semi-automatic and automatic weapons. We're better than that.

[Nantoraka]

No, the logic is that you're making the hunt fair for the animal by adjusting your equipment accordingly. You use a bolt action, you allow the animal an opportunity to escape if you miss. If it doesn't escape in time, you're given a chance to fire again.

You know what happens if your first shot wounds the animal and it escapes before you can make a follow-up shot, right? Why do you want the animals to suffer?

If you use a literal musket like you're implying, it's unfair to you and the animal. Because one, you're not going to hit anything since you won't get close enough for an accurate shot, and two, you're not going to kill the animal in one shot. You're going to leave it wounded and suffering while you take 2 minutes to reload.

The level of ignorance here is astounding...

What?

Spent 10 minutes trying to parse this and I still don't understand.

Did you even know what the hell you were replying to or were you just sputtering things

[Kernen]

Until then, I intend to keep enjoying bacon.



Hunting is not inherently cruel.

I know, I endorse hunting. I don't endorse shooting animals with semi-automatic and automatic weapons. We're better than that.

A bullet fired from a semi automatic rifle is no different than one fired from a bolt action rifle.

[Nantoraka]

If I miss the first shot and it runs away while I'm cocking the bolt, it sure will lol

Possibly. But if you hit and kill in one, it doesn’t matter much to the prey what gun you used, does it?

That's fair; on my end it boils down to part personal preference in this case.

[Sundiata]

I know, I endorse hunting. I don't endorse shooting animals with semi-automatic and automatic weapons. We're better than that.

A bullet fired from a semi automatic rifle is no different than one fired from a bolt action rifle.

A bolt action rifle gives the animal a chance to escape, which it should have for the sport of hunting to be dignified.

[Kernen]

A bullet fired from a semi automatic rifle is no different than one fired from a bolt action rifle.

A bolt action rifle gives the animal a chance to escape, which it should have for the sport of hunting to be dignified.

Why does the opportunity to escape make hunting less cruel? By that metric, farmed meat is the height of cruelty, as it provides no opportunity to escape.

Hunting is primarily a question of utility. A semi automatic rifle limits animal suffering by allowing rapid adjustment for a bad shot.

[Ors Might]

Possibly. But if you hit and kill in one, it doesn’t matter much to the prey what gun you used, does it?

That's fair; on my end it boils down to part personal preference in this case.

I can see that and I don’t begrudge you that opinion. Its a respectable sentiment.

[Ors Might]

A bolt action rifle gives the animal a chance to escape, which it should have for the sport of hunting to be dignified.

Why does the opportunity to escape make hunting less cruel? By that metric, farmed meat is the height of cruelty, as it provides no opportunity to escape.

Hunting is primarily a question of utility. A semi automatic rifle limits animal suffering by allowing rapid adjustment for a bad shot.

Not only that but it seems an awful lot less dignified to be killed in captivity and have your carcass be packaged and sold, than to live free and die free.

[Sundiata]

A bolt action rifle gives the animal a chance to escape, which it should have for the sport of hunting to be dignified.

Why does the opportunity to escape make hunting less cruel? By that metric, farmed meat is the height of cruelty, as it provides no opportunity to escape.

Hunting is primarily a question of utility. A semi automatic rifle limits animal suffering by allowing rapid adjustment for a bad shot.

Hunting for sport is not a question of utility. It's fine if an animal suffers as long as it lives. If one's shot is bad, practice the shot.

[Katganistan]

Been hunting since I could walk, I'm there to get my food and get out, I'm efficient at killin' animals, no fuss no muss, no pleasure, there to do a job, that's it.

While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?

Quality meat is reason enough for joy, honestly.

There will come a day when meat will hardly be eaten.

Doubtful. We are omnivores, and have been eating it pretty much our entire existence.

[Katganistan]

GD clearly stated that food was the reasoning for their hunting. That's a substantive cause, and justifies a hunt in my eyes.

Animals have dignity. Why not just buy meat that one doesn't have to massacre or eat vegetables?

CLEARLY you do not understand what farmed animals go through.

[Grinning Dragon]

Why does the opportunity to escape make hunting less cruel? By that metric, farmed meat is the height of cruelty, as it provides no opportunity to escape.

Hunting is primarily a question of utility. A semi automatic rifle limits animal suffering by allowing rapid adjustment for a bad shot.

Hunting for sport is not a question of utility. It's fine if an animal suffers as long as it lives. If one's shot is bad, practice the shot.

Just what sort of quality of life is an injured animal going to have? Fer gods sake, track it, put it down.
As to if one is a bad shot, practice bit. All sorts of things can happen in the field when hunting, a bullet strikes a twig on it's way to its intended target is enough to change the trajectory from a well placed shot to a questionable placed shot.

[The Two Jerseys]

You know what happens if your first shot wounds the animal and it escapes before you can make a follow-up shot, right? Why do you want the animals to suffer?

The level of ignorance here is astounding...

What?

Spent 10 minutes trying to parse this and I still don't understand.

Did you even know what the hell you were replying to or were you just sputtering things

The only person sputtering things is you.

[Ors Might]

Why does the opportunity to escape make hunting less cruel? By that metric, farmed meat is the height of cruelty, as it provides no opportunity to escape.

Hunting is primarily a question of utility. A semi automatic rifle limits animal suffering by allowing rapid adjustment for a bad shot.

Hunting for sport is not a question of utility. It's fine if an animal suffers as long as it lives. If one's shot is bad, practice the shot.

So much for the dignity of the animal. Unholy hells, dude.

[Sundiata]

Animals have dignity. Why not just buy meat that one doesn't have to massacre or eat vegetables?

CLEARLY you do not understand what farmed animals go through.

Nothing comparable to what any human being goes through.

Hunting for sport is not a question of utility. It's fine if an animal suffers as long as it lives. If one's shot is bad, practice the shot.

Just what sort of quality of life is an injured animal going to have? Fer gods sake, track it, put it down.
As to if one is a bad shot, practice bit. All sorts of things can happen in the field when hunting, a bullet strikes a twig on it's way to its intended target is enough to change the trajectory from a well placed shot to a questionable placed shot.

A poor quality of life is better than no quality of life, it's completely unsportsmanlike and undignified to give an animal almost no chance at survival. I don't see the fun in that, let alone the human or animal dignity.

[Greater Cesnica]

GD clearly stated that food was the reasoning for their hunting. That's a substantive cause, and justifies a hunt in my eyes.

Animals have dignity. Why not just buy meat that one doesn't have to massacre or eat vegetables?

The meat from the store is a direct product of torture, abuse, and cruelty. No thank you, I'll hunt animals myself and get my meat in a humane manner.

[Greater Cesnica]

CLEARLY you do not understand what farmed animals go through.

Nothing comparable to what any human being goes through.

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[Grinning Dragon]

CLEARLY you do not understand what farmed animals go through.

Nothing comparable to what any human being goes through.

Just what sort of quality of life is an injured animal going to have? Fer gods sake, track it, put it down.
As to if one is a bad shot, practice bit. All sorts of things can happen in the field when hunting, a bullet strikes a twig on it's way to its intended target is enough to change the trajectory from a well placed shot to a questionable placed shot.

A poor quality of life is better than no quality of life, it's completely unsportsmanlike and undignified to give an animal almost no chance at survival. I don't see the fun in that, let alone the human or animal dignity.

What? So it's fine for animal to suffer and linger a bit longer and die an agonizing death, days/weeks/years later all in the name of "sportsman-like"?
Is it just as unsportsmanlike if the animal is killed in one shot? isn't that the same as no chance at survival?

[Sundiata]

Animals have dignity. Why not just buy meat that one doesn't have to massacre or eat vegetables?

The meat from the store is a direct product of torture, abuse, and cruelty. No thank you, I'll hunt animals myself and get my meat in a humane manner.

Nothing comparable to what any human being goes through.

????

Human beings and animals don't have the same level of dignity. It's fine to to farm, hunt, and eat animals. There are just ethical ways to farm and hunt.

[The Two Jerseys]

CLEARLY you do not understand what farmed animals go through.

Nothing comparable to what any human being goes through.

How many human beings spend their entire lives in a cage so small that they can't even lie down in there?

Just what sort of quality of life is an injured animal going to have? Fer gods sake, track it, put it down.
As to if one is a bad shot, practice bit. All sorts of things can happen in the field when hunting, a bullet strikes a twig on it's way to its intended target is enough to change the trajectory from a well placed shot to a questionable placed shot.

A poor quality of life is better than no quality of life, it's completely unsportsmanlike and undignified to give an animal almost no chance at survival. I don't see the fun in that, let alone the human or animal dignity.

Yes, better to let the animal drag itself off using its two working legs and have the wolves slowly kill it than to put another round into it and let it die quickly and painlessly...

[Greater Cesnica]

A bullet fired from a semi automatic rifle is no different than one fired from a bolt action rifle.

A bolt action rifle gives the animal a chance to escape, which it should have for the sport of hunting to be dignified.

There is nothing dignified about letting an animal suffer after being shot, to slowly die or permanently be crippled. Your stance on this matter is the height of hypocrisy. If you truly cared about the dignity and feelings of animals, you would be perfectly fine with hunting them with semi-automatic rifles. I have a moral opposition to companies profiting from torturing animals before killing them, I have a financial incentive to get more for my dollar by hunting instead of buying from the store. That should be enough for you to accept the legitimacy of the hunter's lifestyle, but it seems that does not suffice for you.

[Greater Cesnica]

The meat from the store is a direct product of torture, abuse, and cruelty. No thank you, I'll hunt animals myself and get my meat in a humane manner.

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Human beings and animals don't have the same level of dignity. It's fine to to farm, hunt, and eat animals. There are just ethical ways to farm and hunt.

The only ethical farming is actual, legitimate free-range farming without confinement in cramped pens like many """free-range""" farms get away with. Hunting is the most ethical means of attaining your meat in the majority of cases.

[Ors Might]

The meat from the store is a direct product of torture, abuse, and cruelty. No thank you, I'll hunt animals myself and get my meat in a humane manner.

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Human beings and animals don't have the same level of dignity. It's fine to to farm, hunt, and eat animals. There are just ethical ways to farm and hunt.

Do you or do you not care if the animal suffers? If not, then what do you actually mean by dignity? It sounds like you’re using it as a buzzword that doesn’t actually mean anything for the animal.

[Sundiata]

Is it just as unsportsmanlike if the animal is killed in one shot?

Not if the kill was rightly earned.

isn't that the same as no chance at survival?

No, if a hunter is that good of a shot with no chance at losing then it would be dignified to retire.