I mean, I'd be for it if it means that us skinny people get to carry a Glock 18 with a 33 round mag everywhere we go.
You know, just to make it a fair fight against the chads and all...
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by The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:27 pm
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:31 pm
by Adamede » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:34 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:What defines "sporting"?
Fair chase rules.
The ability to give an animal a fair chance while hunting it - it's actually a required unit in hunter's education.
Same goes for using thermals, oversized/inappropriate ammunition, shooting from a vehicle, etc etc.
Using semi-automatic weapons puts you at a higher advantage due to the high rate of fire; bolt-actions force you to slow down and conserve your aiming. Semis and the rare full auto you can just rattle off as many shots as you need to; escaping is harder for the animal if it's constantly being fired at.
by Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:41 pm
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:43 pm
Adamede wrote:Nantoraka wrote:Fair chase rules.
The ability to give an animal a fair chance while hunting it - it's actually a required unit in hunter's education.
Same goes for using thermals, oversized/inappropriate ammunition, shooting from a vehicle, etc etc.
Using semi-automatic weapons puts you at a higher advantage due to the high rate of fire; bolt-actions force you to slow down and conserve your aiming. Semis and the rare full auto you can just rattle off as many shots as you need to; escaping is harder for the animal if it's constantly being fired at.
By that logic the only guns u should be allowed to use are single shots.
by Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:48 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Adamede wrote:By that logic the only guns u should be allowed to use are single shots.
No, the logic is that you're making the hunt fair for the animal by adjusting your equipment accordingly. You use a bolt action, you allow the animal an opportunity to escape if you miss. If it doesn't escape in time, you're given a chance to fire again.
If you use a literal musket like you're implying, it's unfair to you and the animal. Because one, you're not going to hit anything since you won't get close enough for an accurate shot, and two, you're not going to kill the animal in one shot. You're going to leave it wounded and suffering while you take 2 minutes to reload.
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:49 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Nantoraka wrote:No, the logic is that you're making the hunt fair for the animal by adjusting your equipment accordingly. You use a bolt action, you allow the animal an opportunity to escape if you miss. If it doesn't escape in time, you're given a chance to fire again.
If you use a literal musket like you're implying, it's unfair to you and the animal. Because one, you're not going to hit anything since you won't get close enough for an accurate shot, and two, you're not going to kill the animal in one shot. You're going to leave it wounded and suffering while you take 2 minutes to reload.
Fuck fair. Work smart not hard.
by Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:52 pm
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:53 pm
by Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:56 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:57 pm
Sundiata wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:Been hunting since I could walk, I'm there to get my food and get out, I'm efficient at killin' animals, no fuss no muss, no pleasure, there to do a job, that's it.
While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?
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by Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:01 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Sundiata wrote:While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?
GD clearly stated that food was the reasoning for their hunting. That's a substantive cause, and justifies a hunt in my eyes.
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:03 pm
Sundiata wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:Been hunting since I could walk, I'm there to get my food and get out, I'm efficient at killin' animals, no fuss no muss, no pleasure, there to do a job, that's it.
While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?Ors Might wrote:Quality meat is reason enough for joy, honestly.
There will come a day when meat will hardly be eaten.
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:03 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:04 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Adamede wrote:By that logic the only guns u should be allowed to use are single shots.
No, the logic is that you're making the hunt fair for the animal by adjusting your equipment accordingly. You use a bolt action, you allow the animal an opportunity to escape if you miss. If it doesn't escape in time, you're given a chance to fire again.
If you use a literal musket like you're implying, it's unfair to you and the animal. Because one, you're not going to hit anything since you won't get close enough for an accurate shot, and two, you're not going to kill the animal in one shot. You're going to leave it wounded and suffering while you take 2 minutes to reload.
by Sundiata » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:04 pm
Ors Might wrote:Sundiata wrote:While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?
There will come a day when meat will hardly be eaten.
Questionable and regardless, that day is not this day.
On the subject of fairness in a hunt, nah. I’m not going to feel bad if my species’ inherent superiority makes it easier for us to kill deer and such. They want a fair chance? Then they ought to get good.
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:05 pm
Sundiata wrote:Ors Might wrote:Questionable and regardless, that day is not this day.
On the subject of fairness in a hunt, nah. I’m not going to feel bad if my species’ inherent superiority makes it easier for us to kill deer and such. They want a fair chance? Then they ought to get good.
We are superior to animals and that's why we shouldn't treat them with cruelty.
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:06 pm
Sundiata wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:Been hunting since I could walk, I'm there to get my food and get out, I'm efficient at killin' animals, no fuss no muss, no pleasure, there to do a job, that's it.
While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:08 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Sundiata wrote:While animals aren't human beings they still have dignity. Just because we hunt animals doesn't mean that we should ever behave like them. Hunting is a sport, where's the sportsmanship in a massacre?
Exactly. I've been hunting all my life; animals from your common whitetail or mule deer and waterfowl, to bighorn sheep and bears. I live on the challenge to hike for miles and miles in the outback for prey.
I have weapons that are extremely good for hunting; chief among them, an AR-10 chambered in .308 Winchester with a binary trigger.
You will never see me use that weapon for hunting; using it for that becomes less hunting and more of a slaughter. I will always stick with a bolt-action (the caliber and model depends on the animal), and whatever equipment I need to field dress and navigate.
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:09 pm
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:10 pm
Ors Might wrote:Nantoraka wrote:Exactly. I've been hunting all my life; animals from your common whitetail or mule deer and waterfowl, to bighorn sheep and bears. I live on the challenge to hike for miles and miles in the outback for prey.
I have weapons that are extremely good for hunting; chief among them, an AR-10 chambered in .308 Winchester with a binary trigger.
You will never see me use that weapon for hunting; using it for that becomes less hunting and more of a slaughter. I will always stick with a bolt-action (the caliber and model depends on the animal), and whatever equipment I need to field dress and navigate.
I don’t think the animal will appreciate that “sporting chance” you gave it when you’re turning it into dinner.
by Ors Might » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:11 pm
by Grinning Dragon » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:12 pm
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