Should Hunting for Sport be Banned?

[Thermodolia]

But eating hogs is haram

Plus some are highly infected/irradiated.

Yes, we have two operational nuclear power plants. No, they're absolutely fine.

Just every so often a moose takes a swim in the coolant-pond.

I highly doubt the coolant from the actual reactor is out in the open like that. That’s most definitely the pond for the water that is used to transfer heat from the rector to the outside. Sorta like a giant radiator

[Thermodolia]

We should probably start isolating those dogs, dolphins, and felines before they kill again.

Then there's swans.

Tbh I'm of the opinion that dogs do have a sense of morality, at least some of them do.

Yes but Swans don’t. They’ll rape anything that moves or doesn’t

[Silvedania]

Tbh I'm of the opinion that dogs do have a sense of morality, at least some of them do.

Yes but Swans don’t. They’ll rape anything that moves or doesn’t

Gross

[Greater Cesnica]

Gun culture is a heritage of dying patriarchal culture. Abandon the culture, you might as well be dead. All good men must kill someone, and if the sissy trannie feministy culture gets you in its clutches, then do the only honorable thing: shoot yourself in the head.

So you basically just came in this thread to rile people up, huh?

[Farnhamia]

Because the meat tastes very good, honestly.

That's pathetic. Do you eat the whole animal yourself, or do you distribute the meat to friends?

Also, I'm not entirely certain if it's possible to get close enough to a wild bull elk to tag it without being noticed. I'll be sure to try next time I get a chance, though.

How about a harmless laser device. Challenge yourself and set the laser gun to 30 metres. You do it, you don't, either way you go home happy with a good day's sport. Or if you get tired with that, make it up to 1200 metres or whatever you consider awesome marksman range.

I'm weird. I only learned to drive 5 years ago, yet I'm 65. But being weird, I have some insight into driving cars and the outcome of driving a car. Driving a car is a whole lot of logical skill-application shit, which I must admit I still enjoy (I try to be the best driver possible), but motivating that is (a) not dying, and (b) not killing anyone else. I have rock solid concentration (even when I'm drunk, I try to avoid that) because life and death is a huge fucking deal to me.

Now I understand the urge to own guns. But I resist it. I see it as like having a car to drive, except that owning a gun has no positive purpose (as having a car clearly does). I see from having a car that having a gun invites one to make varied uses of it. The inherent power of the thing invites you to use it in every way you can.

Today it's an elk. Tomorrow ... when you have lovingly cleaned it and stored it in a concealed cabinet above your bed ... tomorrow you may shoot a homeless person whose nest-making in your shrubbery, you mistook for a home-invader setting up a machine-gun nest.

No really. I've seen horror movies where cars where used as weapons. They forestalled me from ever getting a driver's license but eventually I had to. Those movies influenced me, badly, so now occasionally it crosses my mind to ram some fucker who was rude with the right-of-way. But don't worry, I 'think' a lot of things I would never ever do.

I can source it if you want, but the US has terribly high rates of gun homicide. Homicide overall really, but particularly gun homicide. Ask yourself if that might have something to do with detective movies, then westerns, then three decades of movies with lots of other stuff but sudden plot twists where someone gets shot and dies. Ask yourself if the "gun culture" you are proud to be a part of, was not so much born with the Second Amendment, as with entertainment which didn't care a shit about human or animal life, but just wanted to push the "DEATH BAD" button in your brain ... and your father's brain ... and your grandfather's.

Gun culture is a heritage of dying patriarchal culture. Abandon the culture, you might as well be dead. All good men must kill someone, and if the sissy trannie feministy culture gets you in its clutches, then do the only honorable thing: shoot yourself in the head.

Elk are fucking huge. Do you eat the meat yourself, or do you distribute it to friends?

*** Warned for flaming ***

The ice under your feet is getting very thin.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

No no it shouldn’t

It may be a fun thing to do, but too much of it is a bad thing, and it makes animals vulnerable. That being said, I'm willing to modify what I said. It should only be legal when the animal in question is an invasive species endangering the fragile biodiversity of the habitat.

It helps keep the animal populations under control. And if we don’t keep them under control the will offset the ecosystem. So hunting is actually helping the ecosystem

[Arcturus Novus]

It may be a fun thing to do, but too much of it is a bad thing, and it makes animals vulnerable. That being said, I'm willing to modify what I said. It should only be legal when the animal in question is an invasive species endangering the fragile biodiversity of the habitat.

It helps keep the animal populations under control. And if we don’t keep them under control the will offset the ecosystem. So hunting is actually helping the ecosystem

^

Deer in the US especially need to be hunted periodically to maintain their populations. It's an unfortunate consequence of human expansion, we've pushed out most of their natural predators, but if we didn't cull deer every season they'd over-populate and starve themselves out.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

We should probably start isolating those dogs, dolphins, and felines before they kill again.

Then there's swans.

Tbh I'm of the opinion that dogs do have a sense of morality, at least some of them do.

Those who are socialized with humans, sure. A roving pack of feral dingoes... not so much.

[Major-Tom]

Hunting should have restrictions. In fact, the story you posted, OP, was a great example of how these restrictions work and why we have them in the first place. It is not, however, a legitimate argument against the practice as much as it is an emotional appeal.

I've tried hunting a few times. Never cared for it, always felt rather queasy afterwards because maybe I'm a big sensitive baby at my core. That said, many people enjoy it, and those people should be able to enjoy it within reason (IE don't hunt endangered species, don't exceed your quotas, try to go after invasive species such as deer on the East Coast).

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

No? There is a difference between trophy hunting and poaching. Most trophy hunting funds go back to helping animals that are endangered, plus its literally 25k to hunt an automatically selected lion in Africa. Poaching however kills any animal whatsoever to just sell shit like ivory for a profit

[Echo Chamber Thought Police]

Is it morally questionable? Yes

Should it be illegal? No

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

That's pathetic. Do you eat the whole animal yourself, or do you distribute the meat to friends?



How about a harmless laser device. Challenge yourself and set the laser gun to 30 metres. You do it, you don't, either way you go home happy with a good day's sport. Or if you get tired with that, make it up to 1200 metres or whatever you consider awesome marksman range.

I'm weird. I only learned to drive 5 years ago, yet I'm 65. But being weird, I have some insight into driving cars and the outcome of driving a car. Driving a car is a whole lot of logical skill-application shit, which I must admit I still enjoy (I try to be the best driver possible), but motivating that is (a) not dying, and (b) not killing anyone else. I have rock solid concentration (even when I'm drunk, I try to avoid that) because life and death is a huge fucking deal to me.

Now I understand the urge to own guns. But I resist it. I see it as like having a car to drive, except that owning a gun has no positive purpose (as having a car clearly does). I see from having a car that having a gun invites one to make varied uses of it. The inherent power of the thing invites you to use it in every way you can.

Today it's an elk. Tomorrow ... when you have lovingly cleaned it and stored it in a concealed cabinet above your bed ... tomorrow you may shoot a homeless person whose nest-making in your shrubbery, you mistook for a home-invader setting up a machine-gun nest.

No really. I've seen horror movies where cars where used as weapons. They forestalled me from ever getting a driver's license but eventually I had to. Those movies influenced me, badly, so now occasionally it crosses my mind to ram some fucker who was rude with the right-of-way. But don't worry, I 'think' a lot of things I would never ever do.

I can source it if you want, but the US has terribly high rates of gun homicide. Homicide overall really, but particularly gun homicide. Ask yourself if that might have something to do with detective movies, then westerns, then three decades of movies with lots of other stuff but sudden plot twists where someone gets shot and dies. Ask yourself if the "gun culture" you are proud to be a part of, was not so much born with the Second Amendment, as with entertainment which didn't care a shit about human or animal life, but just wanted to push the "DEATH BAD" button in your brain ... and your father's brain ... and your grandfather's.

Gun culture is a heritage of dying patriarchal culture. Abandon the culture, you might as well be dead. All good men must kill someone, and if the sissy trannie feministy culture gets you in its clutches, then do the only honorable thing: shoot yourself in the head.

Elk are fucking huge. Do you eat the meat yourself, or do you distribute it to friends?

*** Warned for flaming ***

The ice under your feet is getting very thin.

Well so it goes. I will miss you in particular.

Anyone who took that too seriously: it is almost NEVER legal to shoot without warning, someone mucking around outside your house. Castle doctrine applies to your castle, not to its grounds.

[Greater Cesnica]

*** Warned for flaming ***

The ice under your feet is getting very thin.

Well so it goes. I will miss you in particular.

Anyone who took that too seriously: it is almost NEVER legal to shoot without warning, someone mucking around outside your house. Castle doctrine applies to your castle, not to its grounds.

No shit. This condescending tone that you're taking with us is mildly infuriating, though.

[Adamede]

*** Warned for flaming ***

The ice under your feet is getting very thin.

Well so it goes. I will miss you in particular.

Anyone who took that too seriously: it is almost NEVER legal to shoot without warning, someone mucking around outside your house. Castle doctrine applies to your castle, not to its grounds.

Maybe just don’t say stupid shit in the first place?

[San Lumen]

Hunting should have restrictions. In fact, the story you posted, OP, was a great example of how these restrictions work and why we have them in the first place. It is not, however, a legitimate argument against the practice as much as it is an emotional appeal.

I've tried hunting a few times. Never cared for it, always felt rather queasy afterwards because maybe I'm a big sensitive baby at my core. That said, many people enjoy it, and those people should be able to enjoy it within reason (IE don't hunt endangered species, don't exceed your quotas, try to go after invasive species such as deer on the East Coast).

How is it evidence they work?

I've never hunted for sport as I could never shoot an innocent animal for no reason.

[Greater Cesnica]

Hunting should have restrictions. In fact, the story you posted, OP, was a great example of how these restrictions work and why we have them in the first place. It is not, however, a legitimate argument against the practice as much as it is an emotional appeal.

I've tried hunting a few times. Never cared for it, always felt rather queasy afterwards because maybe I'm a big sensitive baby at my core. That said, many people enjoy it, and those people should be able to enjoy it within reason (IE don't hunt endangered species, don't exceed your quotas, try to go after invasive species such as deer on the East Coast).

I've never hunted for sport as I could never shoot an innocent animal for no reason.

And that's good IMO. For me, there needs to be a substantive reason to go hunting so it could be justified. Needless killing is needless killing, whether inflicted upon humans or other animals.

[Lanoraie II]

Hunting for sport should be the only means of actually obtaining meat in the world.

Conservation around my area relies heavily on hunters to go out each winter and cull the deer population, lest things rapidly get completely out of control and spiral into chaos. In fact, conservation in general is quite reliant on keeping careful watch of numbers of certain animals and removing the excess when there's too many. Does it sound dark? Sure, but it's for the benefit and stability of the environment. Such is life.

It helps keep the animal populations under control. And if we don’t keep them under control the will offset the ecosystem. So hunting is actually helping the ecosystem

^

Deer in the US especially need to be hunted periodically to maintain their populations. It's an unfortunate consequence of human expansion, we've pushed out most of their natural predators, but if we didn't cull deer every season they'd over-populate and starve themselves out.

This. Shit, we cull them every year and hundreds get whacked by cars and they STILL are a giant nuisance around these parts. If we criminalized or removed sport hunting, the environment would be in the throes of chaos more than it already is due to human interference. Trust me, you do not want what would most likely happen if we didn't keep deer under control. (Here's a hint: First it's the deer, and then it's the wolves, and then your kid is missing and uh oh little Timmy was eaten by a wolf and the deer are damaging native flora and fauna at horrific rates. Yay!)

[Lanoraie II]

I've never hunted for sport as I could never shoot an innocent animal for no reason.

And that's good IMO. For me, there needs to be a substantive reason to go hunting so it could be justified. Needless killing is needless killing, whether inflicted upon humans or other animals.

Friend, it's not needless, and is far more humane than factory farming. It's entirely necessary for the stability of most if not all forests in the USA. Deer and elk are cretins who like to take up far too much space in the forests than what they can handle and need an outside predator that isn't wolves to keep them in check.

[Ainland]

I think it would be very difficult to ban "hunting for sport". As many who hunt for sport, will (often legitimately) claim that it is essential, eg. to keep the deer population down, for conservation.

[Greater Cesnica]

And that's good IMO. For me, there needs to be a substantive reason to go hunting so it could be justified. Needless killing is needless killing, whether inflicted upon humans or other animals.

Friend, it's not needless, and is far more humane than factory farming. It's entirely necessary for the stability of most if not all forests in the USA. Deer and elk are cretins who like to take up far too much space in the forests than what they can handle and need an outside predator that isn't wolves to keep them in check.

... Why does everyone misinterpret me? When I say 'needless killing', I am referring to hunting animals that doesn't reap meat, doesn't maintain the population at sustainable levels, doesn't protect the environment and other species, doesn't protect property and human life, etc. etc. Read my posts in this thread lmao, I hunt myself. I hunt because I know that factory farming is depraved and immoral. I have a different meaning of hunting for sport. That is thrill hunting (which btw can be justified if it does any of the things I mentioned above). Once again, when I say 'needless killing', I'm referring to killing that doesn't have any other substantive purpose.

I hope I made my views on this matter clear here.

[Astral Traveller]

No, unless it damages an ecosystem permanently. For example, making a species go extinct.

[Adamede]

I've never hunted for sport as I could never shoot an innocent animal for no reason.

And that's good IMO. For me, there needs to be a substantive reason to go hunting so it could be justified. Needless killing is needless killing, whether inflicted upon humans or other animals.

Imho sporting can be a good enough reason, so long as the hunt itself is ethical.

[Greater Cesnica]

And that's good IMO. For me, there needs to be a substantive reason to go hunting so it could be justified. Needless killing is needless killing, whether inflicted upon humans or other animals.

Imho sporting can be a good enough reason, so long as the hunt itself is ethical.

Meh. I guess I'm too pacifist.

[Adamede]

Imho sporting can be a good enough reason, so long as the hunt itself is ethical.

Meh. I guess I'm too pacifist.

I just don’t care what the reason is so long as the animal doesn’t suffer, go to waste, or is an endangered creature.

[Greater Cesnica]

Meh. I guess I'm too pacifist.

I just don’t care what the reason is so long as the animal doesn’t suffer, go to waste, or is an endangered creature.

Well... if it doesn't go to waste, then it had a substantive purpose, no? Then I'd support such hunting, because it had a substantive purpose.