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Postby Zul-ar » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:15 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:Because, the former is a necessary evil as meat is a part of the human diet, while the later is wasteful and cruel. If you find the thrill of the hunt fun, go play paintball ffs and leave the animals out of it.

Meat isn't a necessary part of the human diet. We can, generally speaking, live without it.

Yes, it is physically possible to live without meat, but many people are not in the situation to switch over to a healthy complete vegan diet. Thus, for those people, they still need meat to fill up the gaps.
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Postby WeeTurds » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:15 am

Salus Maior wrote:
WeeTurds wrote:Other animals? Lions, Cheetah, Leopard, Gorilla, and many other animals are greatly harmed by overhunting, which is almost impossible to control. If animals are overpopulated in a single area, it is because of the actions of humans. Overhunting, and building houses might force animals to live closer together, as it is easier to find food. Trophy hunting removes predators and their prey from the environment, which affects the entire ecosystem of the country.


Well then don't hunt endangered animals.

And if the problem is made by humans, why can't humans fix the problem by controlling the population themselves? Or are we just supposed to sit in a corner and feel bad for being the most successful species?


You can say that BUT IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HUMANS HADN'T INTERVENED TO BEGIN WITH. The reason that animals are overpopulated is because you have killed their predators, and forced them to live in large groups because you have destroyed their habitats. "Well then don't hunt endangered animals." You can say this in a perfect world. Everyone in a perfect world will do what you want. But, our world is not perfect, and people will continue to hunt endangered animals regardless of what you tell them to do.

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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:19 am

:meh:
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Why is killing an animal not harming you not morally and ethically wrong? Some of those wolves killed likely had cubs who now will not be able to survive.

According to whose morals and ethics? It isn't universal and completely subjective.
If you need to interject emotion into it, the argument isn't very sound.

it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:20 am

The united states of sonindia wrote::meh:
Grinning Dragon wrote:According to whose morals and ethics? It isn't universal and completely subjective.
If you need to interject emotion into it, the argument isn't very sound.

it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.


Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.

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Postby WeeTurds » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:21 am

Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:21 am

WeeTurds wrote:Animals don't kill us for fun

They often do.
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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:22 am

WeeTurds wrote:Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?

:) agreed

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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:22 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The united states of sonindia wrote::meh:
it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.


Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.

any prove

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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:22 am

WeeTurds wrote:Other animals? Lions, Cheetah, Leopard, Gorilla, and many other animals are greatly harmed by overhunting, which is almost impossible to control. If animals are overpopulated in a single area, it is because of the actions of humans. Overhunting, and building houses might force animals to live closer together, as it is easier to find food. Trophy hunting removes predators and their prey from the environment, which affects the entire ecosystem of the country. Also, hunting for sport and trophy hunting is directly removing animals from the environment. You are killing them for pride and satisfaction. Animals don't kill humans, or other animals for pride and satisfaction, they do it because it is what they need to do to survive. Trophy hunting disrupts ecosystems and causes mass extinction.

And we are putting restrictions on those animals. Hunting common animals isn’t bad it’s a way to keep the population in check
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:22 am

WeeTurds wrote:Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?


You should look up the term "Surplus Killing"..
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Postby WeeTurds » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:23 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The united states of sonindia wrote::meh:
it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.


Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.


This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:23 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.

any prove


That others will disagree with you?

.....

Welcome to NSG. :lol:
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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:24 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.

any prove

I disagree
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Postby The Provincial Union of the Pacific » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:24 am

Humans, just like many other animals, are hunters. Humanity actually has a much more advanced sense of coexistence with other animals in the sense that we allow other animals to live near our 'territory' without attacking them, something most predatory animals do. People like to pretend that we are above other animals and predators in every sense but in reality that's only true of the mind, we are still natural predators; deny it as much as you want your ancestors hunted and killed for food, and we have needs very similar to the rest of the Animal Kingdom. To abandon the natural desire to hunt is only further alienating us from the rest of the Animal Kingdom so when our Big Bad Walls of Civilisation crumble we'll be that much more at a disadvantage. Hunting remains a very important skill for people to have considering all of this that we have now isn't likely going to last forever and in many parts of the world there are civilisations that still hunt and gather for their supplies because they have not implemented animal husbandry.

Humans shouldn't hunt animals into extinction, but we wouldn't be the first to do it and we certainly won't be the last, throughout history there have been animals killed off by other animals and that has been acknowledged by Charles Darwin in his theory of Natural Selection. If we want to avoid causing certain animals to go extinct then just don't hunt those animals, there are many other animals with large populations that can be hunted and still be in abundance because they have come to be excellent at prospering.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:25 am

WeeTurds wrote:
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Well then don't hunt endangered animals.

And if the problem is made by humans, why can't humans fix the problem by controlling the population themselves? Or are we just supposed to sit in a corner and feel bad for being the most successful species?


You can say that BUT IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HUMANS HADN'T INTERVENED TO BEGIN WITH. The reason that animals are overpopulated is because you have killed their predators, and forced them to live in large groups because you have destroyed their habitats. "Well then don't hunt endangered animals." You can say this in a perfect world. Everyone in a perfect world will do what you want. But, our world is not perfect, and people will continue to hunt endangered animals regardless of what you tell them to do.


Ok, and?

Is there a point to your emotional spiel or do you actually have a solution to the proposed problems?
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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The united states of sonindia wrote:any prove


That others will disagree with you?

.....

Welcome to NSG. :lol:

thay also agree with mine

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:25 am

WeeTurds wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.


This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

:eyebrow:

I own four guns. I hunt for meat, and to protect livestock and property. Am I going to shoot up a school too? Do you realize how incoherent you sound right now? Also, in England, people are allowed to own guns.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:26 am

The united states of sonindia wrote::meh:
Grinning Dragon wrote:According to whose morals and ethics? It isn't universal and completely subjective.
If you need to interject emotion into it, the argument isn't very sound.

it is unethical and should be banned, you should not commit murder for recreation purposes.

Umm, you cannot murder an animal. Murder is a charge for the malicious unlawful taking of a human life.
You say it is unethical, I say it isn't and no it shouldn't be banned.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:26 am

WeeTurds wrote:Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?


Animals kill for fun all the time.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:
WeeTurds wrote:
This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.

:eyebrow:

I own four guns. I hunt for meat, and to protect livestock and property. Am I going to shoot up a school too? Do you realize how incoherent you sound right now? Also, in England, people are allowed to own guns.

this is for recreation not nurishment

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Postby The united states of sonindia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:27 am

Salus Maior wrote:
WeeTurds wrote:Exactly, killing animals for fun should not be allowed. Animals don't kill us for fun, so why should we kill them?


Animals kill for fun all the time.

but we do to much

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:28 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote: :eyebrow:

I own four guns. I hunt for meat, and to protect livestock and property. Am I going to shoot up a school too? Do you realize how incoherent you sound right now? Also, in England, people are allowed to own guns.

this is for recreation not nurishment

He said people who own multiple guns, and said hunting in general. I take severe offense to that blanket statement.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:28 am

WeeTurds wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Says you.

Others I'm sure will disagree.


This is exactly the quote i'd expect from someone who's flag is a man in a mask holding a crap ton of bullets. In england, nobody is allowed guns, because of this, we don't have school shootings, church shootings, etc. It's the kind of people, like you, that believe hunting should be allowed and have multiple guns, that do things like this.


You clearly don't know your own history if you think "nobody is allowed gun" in cherry ol England lad.

In fact, I'm jelly that devices that reduce gunshot DB's and protect ones hearing are almost mandatory and openly accepted while here they are heavily frowned upon. As for the rest, once again you need to crack open a history book before commenting, otherwise someone more educated then you on the subject might point and laugh at the fact that you are trying to ban "assault knives" as heavy gun control clearly hasn't worked to curb actual crime.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:28 am

Zul-ar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Meat isn't a necessary part of the human diet. We can, generally speaking, live without it.

Yes, it is physically possible to live without meat, but many people are not in the situation to switch over to a healthy complete vegan diet. Thus, for those people, they still need meat to fill up the gaps.


And besides, I think it's worthwhile to keep up diversity in the human diet.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:29 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Animals kill for fun all the time.

but we do to much


Probably in some sectors.

That's what regulation is for.
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