Should Hunting for Sport be Banned?

[The Nihilistic view]

Shooting an animal that has had the chance to live free for pleasure is barbaric, but eating an animal that has only ever been in a cage for pleasure is fine.

And that's the genuine position most anti-hunting advocates find themselves in. But ask yourself this question, would you rather live free and maybe get shot or would you rather be born into a prison with the certainty of death?

I at least respect vegans who are against hunting as they have a consistent position. Those that rage against hunting and then go home and eat steak are the worst form of hypocrit I think it's possible to be.

[Greater Cesnica]

It's worth noting that at one point you could go swimming in northern Australia but now it's basically impossible because the saltwater crocs have returned after hunting them was essentially banned. That's what happens when you don't control populations of dangerous animals.

Counter-argument: "Then humans shouldn't be swimming there"

[The Disorder]

No, hunting for sport should not be banned.

I do favor regulated hunting. Partially because history shows that we're a bit reckless when sustaining populations of creatures that we actually -like- eating. Partially also to reduce cruelty and suffering, so that hunted-animal-deaths are as instantaneously lethal & painless as possible.

Let's also not forget our place: Humans are the most successful predatory species in Earth's history. Nothing has ever existed on this planet that could compete with us. The only reason we don't hunt dinosaurs for fun is because the asteroid beat us to it.

[The Marlborough]

It's worth noting that at one point you could go swimming in northern Australia but now it's basically impossible because the saltwater crocs have returned after hunting them was essentially banned. That's what happens when you don't control populations of dangerous animals.

Counter-argument: "Then humans shouldn't be swimming there"

Well tbf it's not just swimming but also doing things like laundry which for a lot of communities in the region helps saves cost because they are pretty poor iirc. IIRC the people that ended up getting fucked over the most were impoverished aborigines since they were using the rivers to fish, bathe, do laundry etc and now it's much harder if not impossible.

[Punished UMN]

It's worth noting that at one point you could go swimming in northern Australia but now it's basically impossible because the saltwater crocs have returned after hunting them was essentially banned. That's what happens when you don't control populations of dangerous animals.

Counter-argument: "Then humans shouldn't be swimming there"

"Humans don't get to enjoy the environment, only large, predatory reptiles."

[Kathol Rift]

Shooting an animal that has had the chance to live free for pleasure is barbaric, but eating an animal that has only ever been in a cage for pleasure is fine.

And that's the genuine position most anti-hunting advocates find themselves in. But ask yourself this question, would you rather live free and maybe get shot or would you rather be born into a prison with the certainty of death?

I at least respect vegans who are against hunting as they have a consistent position. Those that rage against hunting and then go home and eat steak are the worst form of hypocrit I think it's possible to be.

I agree. If you're eating meat, whether it's been farmed, hunted, or otherwise, you really don't have a leg to stand on in the antihunting issue. While I do generally disagree with vegans, at least they're practicing what they preach.

[Greater Cesnica]

Shooting an animal that has had the chance to live free for pleasure is barbaric, but eating an animal that has only ever been in a cage for pleasure is fine.

And that's the genuine position most anti-hunting advocates find themselves in. But ask yourself this question, would you rather live free and maybe get shot or would you rather be born into a prison with the certainty of death?

I at least respect vegans who are against hunting as they have a consistent position. Those that rage against hunting and then go home and eat steak are the worst form of hypocrite I think it's possible to be.

Excellently put. See, I don't like supporting the barbaric animal torture in meat factories and industrialized """farms""". I'd rather hunt, do the killing myself, do the effort to retrieve and prepare the meat myself. Certainly cheaper over the long-term, and you evade questionable additions post-slaughter that the companies inject into the meat.

[Greater Cesnica]

Counter-argument: "Then humans shouldn't be swimming there"

Well tbf it's not just swimming but also doing things like laundry which for a lot of communities in the region helps saves cost because they are pretty poor iirc. IIRC the people that ended up getting fucked over the most were impoverished aborigines since they were using the rivers to fish, bathe, do laundry etc and now it's much harder if not impossible.

Well people don't think that far ahead when they make decisions like the one you described.

[The Reformed American Republic]

In the absence of an ideal world where large predators can be re-introduced across their native range in North America hunting can be a valuable tool of population control for large ungulates and other herbivores that at the moment have few natural predators. Large predator hunts, on the other hand, which are almost solely done for trophies or entertainment rather than food, should be mostly banned as they serve no conservation purpose.

First Nations traditional hunting and foraging practices are also beneficial to maintain, as the total catch and impact even on large predators is usually low and is part of a suite of land management practices that indigenous peoples have maintained for millenia and that have proven to promote ecosystem stability.

They were good at not wasting their resources too.

[Punished UMN]

Well tbf it's not just swimming but also doing things like laundry which for a lot of communities in the region helps saves cost because they are pretty poor iirc. IIRC the people that ended up getting fucked over the most were impoverished aborigines since they were using the rivers to fish, bathe, do laundry etc and now it's much harder if not impossible.

Well people don't think that far ahead when they make decisions like the one you described.

Ah yes, the global impoverished didn't think ahead about their inability to afford modern irrigation and water-movement infrastructure.

[Greater Cesnica]

Well people don't think that far ahead when they make decisions like the one you described.

Ah yes, the global impoverished didn't think ahead about their inability to afford modern irrigation and water-movement infrastructure.

I was not referring to the global impoverished, smh. I was referring to lawmakers.

[No State Here]

Say the animal wasn’t killed by the bullet. How do you think it would’ve otherwise died? Chances are, likely not the peaceful old age death you’re imagining, which are exceedingly rare out in the wild. Some would even say a bullet is a preferable death than being torn apart by a wolf’s jaws

[American Pere Housh]

Tell me, name one wolf attack in North America that wasn't due to rabies,hunger or by accident?

Candice Berner.

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

[Greater Cesnica]

Say the animal wasn’t killed by the bullet. How do you think it would’ve otherwise died? Chances are, likely not the peaceful old age death you’re imagining, which are exceedingly rare out in the wild. Some would even say a bullet is a preferable death than being torn apart by a wolf’s jaws

Or rather, animals being raised in captivity, pumped full of hormones, force-fed, cramped into tight, cramped, poorly-ventilated spaces ripe with infection.

[Greater Cesnica]

Candice Berner.

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

Are you a wolf apologist, perhaps

[American Pere Housh]

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

Are you a wolf apologist, perhaps

By no means, I am not.

[Greater Cesnica]

Are you a wolf apologist, perhaps

By no means, I am not.

Gotcha

[The Marlborough]

Candice Berner.

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

Reported attacks. I wouldn't be surprised if many people disappeared on the treks out West. It's like how we aren't certain how many croc attacks there are because many don't get reported.

[American Pere Housh]

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

Reported attacks. I wouldn't be surprised if many people disappeared on the treks out West. It's like how we aren't certain how many croc attacks there are because many don't get reported.

Look at the Nile crocodile and how many people they have killed.

[The Nihilistic view]

Say the animal wasn’t killed by the bullet. How do you think it would’ve otherwise died? Chances are, likely not the peaceful old age death you’re imagining, which are exceedingly rare out in the wild. Some would even say a bullet is a preferable death than being torn apart by a wolf’s jaws

But people like watching wildlife programs and the gazelle getting munched by a cheetah.

Wildlife programmes, just another form of getting pleasure from watching animals die.

[Kathol Rift]

There have been 33 fatal attacks since the 1760's. So over a 260 year period, only 33 fatal attacks have occurred.

Reported attacks. I wouldn't be surprised if many people disappeared on the treks out West. It's like how we aren't certain how many croc attacks there are because many don't get reported.

That's the problem with any situation that results in people being eaten. It doesn't leave much in the way of evidence. It's rather difficult to examine a piece of skull the size of a quarter and state with absolute certainty the cause of death was a wolf, or lion, or bear, or croc, or anything else.

[The Marlborough]

Reported attacks. I wouldn't be surprised if many people disappeared on the treks out West. It's like how we aren't certain how many croc attacks there are because many don't get reported.

Look at the Nile crocodile and how many people they have killed.

Yeah which is why I'm okay with hunting them. Plus they make good eating.

[Nilokeras]

Counter-argument: "Then humans shouldn't be swimming there"

Well tbf it's not just swimming but also doing things like laundry which for a lot of communities in the region helps saves cost because they are pretty poor iirc. IIRC the people that ended up getting fucked over the most were impoverished aborigines since they were using the rivers to fish, bathe, do laundry etc and now it's much harder if not impossible.

You can't solve poverty by managing crocodile populations.

[Nilokeras]

It's worth noting as well that one of the major reasons why feral pigs are such a problem in North America is that they have no natural predators - wolves, jaguars and cougars are all extirpated from much of their invaded range. Widescale predator reintroduction is the single most cost effective management strategy there is, as they collectively exert significant controls in terms of predation of adults, increase in juvenile mortality and ecological fear effects.

wolf can't kill no hog

wolf can kill hog if wolf work together and also baby hog and fear effects

[The Marlborough]

Well tbf it's not just swimming but also doing things like laundry which for a lot of communities in the region helps saves cost because they are pretty poor iirc. IIRC the people that ended up getting fucked over the most were impoverished aborigines since they were using the rivers to fish, bathe, do laundry etc and now it's much harder if not impossible.

You can't solve poverty by managing crocodile populations.

Never said you could.