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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:okay so a-10s are any aircraft is only useful when you can spam SEAD and EW with impunity

Fixed that for you.

fair
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:50 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Fixed that for you.
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:okay so a-10s are only useful when you can spam SEAD and EW with impunity

Also this. Any aircraft flying at relatively low altitude (or any altitude really) is in danger of effective AA stuff, don't just hate on the A-10.
Also, stealth A-10 equivalent how about that XD

i will hate on the a-10 all i want for being ugly and having the worst fanbase outside of the f-35
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Postby Kubra » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:50 am

Qhevak wrote:
Kubra wrote: In fairness, being a little guy invaded by the US and company is a basically an invasion of space aliens.

I mean yeah (though arguably the Iraqi military's extreme overcentralization hurt them even harder than technical inferiority). And if space aliens invaded us I'd bet their obsolete ground attack starfighters would be perfectly effective too.
Problems in iraqi command aside (can't defend the indefensible) what I'm getting at is that there's only a select few nations in the world that can plausibly plan to, you know, resist americans militarily in a capacity that doesn't involve escaping to the mountains and setting up a government in exile in some nepalese basement or, like, a decent apartment in the netherlands.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:54 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Also this. Any aircraft flying at relatively low altitude (or any altitude really) is in danger of effective AA stuff, don't just hate on the A-10.
Also, stealth A-10 equivalent how about that XD

i will hate on the a-10 all i want for being ugly and having the worst fanbase outside of the f-35


That's what happens when your plane's major selling point is HAHA MACHINE GUN GO BRRR.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:55 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Also this. Any aircraft flying at relatively low altitude (or any altitude really) is in danger of effective AA stuff, don't just hate on the A-10.
Also, stealth A-10 equivalent how about that XD

i will hate on the a-10 all i want for being ugly and having the worst fanbase outside of the f-35

yeah it's kinda ugly but it's sexy in its own way lol
Really? You think it has the worst fanbase?? I mean, sure its fanbase is a bunch of memers that only like it cuz of the BRRRRT but it's not that bad XDD
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:02 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:i will hate on the a-10 all i want for being ugly and having the worst fanbase outside of the f-35

yeah it's kinda ugly but it's sexy in its own way lol
Really? You think it has the worst fanbase?? I mean, sure its fanbase is a bunch of memers that only like it cuz of the BRRRRT but it's not that bad XDD

okay well the russian version looks better. even has the big 30mm gun.

also unlike the a-10 the su-25 has a banger theme.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:05 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:yeah it's kinda ugly but it's sexy in its own way lol
Really? You think it has the worst fanbase?? I mean, sure its fanbase is a bunch of memers that only like it cuz of the BRRRRT but it's not that bad XDD

okay well the russian version looks better. even has the big 30mm gun.

also unlike the a-10 the su-25 has a banger theme.

i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:06 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:okay well the russian version looks better. even has the big 30mm gun.

also unlike the a-10 the su-25 has a banger theme.

i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.


i hope the usaf kills the a-10 solely to make the fanbase shut up.

also come back when the a-10 has a song about it.
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Artsahk is Armenian.



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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:11 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:okay well the russian version looks better. even has the big 30mm gun.

also unlike the a-10 the su-25 has a banger theme.

i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.

wait a second isn't the a-10 you love so much armed with that funny "BRRRT" 30mm gun
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A traumatized MT-PMT constitutional monarchy consisting of a personal union of Prussia and Poland. A land of rampant gun ownership, Cold-war equipment, rabid hatred of Germans, militias with enough artillery to turn an armored division into a badly-shaken battalion of light infantry, and terrified American troops counting down the days until they rotate back home.

Artsahk is Armenian.



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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:12 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:okay well the russian version looks better. even has the big 30mm gun.

also unlike the a-10 the su-25 has a banger theme.

i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.

The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:12 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.

wait a second isn't the a-10 you love so much armed with that funny "BRRRT" 30mm gun

Hmmm, I thought it was 20mm... hold on. It is 30mm I was wrong, which also means the gun is no bigger and the Russian aircraft is not special.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:13 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:wait a second isn't the a-10 you love so much armed with that funny "BRRRT" 30mm gun

Hmmm, I thought it was 20mm... hold on.

it's 30mm i already checked
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:14 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:wait a second isn't the a-10 you love so much armed with that funny "BRRRT" 30mm gun

Hmmm, I thought it was 20mm... hold on.


20mm is what all the other US fighter jets are armed with.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:15 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was 20mm... hold on.


20mm is what all the other US fighter jets are armed with.

Some have 25mm iirc if that counts?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:16 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.

The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

Besides, the only time you will use an aircraft gun these days is if you are strafing helpless missile boats or equally helpless Talibans.

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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:16 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

Besides, the only time you will use an aircraft gun these days is if you are strafing helpless missile boats or equally helpless Talibans.

PGM gang gang.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:17 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:i don't give a single gosh darn F### about the Russian garbage XD
pfft, 30mm, how many rounds can it hold, 50? Anyway, I've already stated that we need an A-10B or some new equivalent.

The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

lol but that's the fun part XD
Vassenor wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was 20mm... hold on.


20mm is what all the other US fighter jets are armed with.

Yeah, probably why I thought 20mm.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:17 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

lol but that's the fun part XD


Not for the armorer.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:19 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The GSh-30-2 is a far more accurate weapon simply because it doesn't vomit out shells like an oversized MG 42.

Besides, the only time you will use an aircraft gun these days is if you are strafing helpless missile boats or equally helpless Talibans.

One less missile boat is one less missile boats.
Ok but we also need a new AC-130 because those things are awesome. Whoever decided it was a good idea to stick a giant gun out the side of an aircraft was a genius.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:24 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Besides, the only time you will use an aircraft gun these days is if you are strafing helpless missile boats or equally helpless Talibans.

One less missile boat is one less missile boats.
Ok but we also need a new AC-130 because those things are awesome. Whoever decided it was a good idea to stick a giant gun out the side of an aircraft was a genius.

I guess it gives those poor unemployed, and bored CF-18 pilots something to do in 1991's Persian Gulf.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:25 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
20mm is what all the other US fighter jets are armed with.

Some have 25mm iirc if that counts?


Yes, the Harrier and F-35 use a 25mm cannon.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:31 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Vassenor wrote:turboprop missile trucks like the A-29

That's nonsense. A fleet of drones:
A: Takes the manned portion out of the equation.
B: Carries far more potent PGM's.
C: Has a modern ECM system.
D: Flies at 30,000 feet.
None of which a Brazilian turboprop could do.

^This. Everyone should be paying attention to how the Turks and now Azeris have utilized drone warfare as close air support and fire concentration platforms. They are changing the game and basically turning cheap drones into flying artillery, it's going to be mad.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:38 am

The Marlborough wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:That's nonsense. A fleet of drones:
A: Takes the manned portion out of the equation.
B: Carries far more potent PGM's.
C: Has a modern ECM system.
D: Flies at 30,000 feet.
None of which a Brazilian turboprop could do.

^This. Everyone should be paying attention to how the Turks and now Azeris have utilized drone warfare as close air support and fire concentration platforms. They are changing the game and basically turning cheap drones into flying artillery, it's going to be mad.

are we reaching the ace combat timeline yet
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:40 am

Swiss Army knife is worse at doing three specific jobs than three individual tools?

We all knew that since Day 1 of the JSF program...
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:56 am

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Kubra wrote: Time for a classic movie scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

I recall a specific incident. They were testing the Bradley against RPGs. The test initially went well, but one of the officers attending the test cried foul, that the RPGs were intentionally being fired at too short a distance, i.e. they did not reach their maximum velocity in terms of what would usually be encountered on the battlefield. The test was rerun on the insistence of the officer, firing the RPG from further away. The result was catastrophic for the Bradley: the Bradley was annihilated, all of the hatches were blown out, and the test dummies inside were blown out too.

It is fun that the movie references that specific incident that happened, albeit in a far more outlandish way.

just saw this.

was this the old version before they unfucked it
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Artsahk is Armenian.



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