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Kowani wrote:PM Pashinyan have a speech here (scroll to the beginning, it's a live feed of yerevan square right now)


the speech is also in armenian, so i have no clue what's being said

"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries"

Glad I can help.

While I'm not well-versed in Armenian politics, I'm completely opposed to a military takeover in any nation. The military is supposed to answer to the government (and by extension, the people), not the other way around.

Also, I read this as "American Military Demands Resignation of the Government" at first, and couldn't help to think, "Oh dear, not another January 6!"

-Ocelot- wrote:

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Social democrats against fascists to the streets ! I wish all racist anti-domocrats were out of this land. Turkish Armenian Greek Arab Kurd must unite against Fascists.

Well said

You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

Is 2021 the year of the coup?

Rusozak wrote:Is 2021 the year of the coup?

Armenia: This likely has its roots in the 2020 war where the Armenian government signed away a lot of land to the Azeris.

Burma: Does it still count as a coup if the country is already divided among competing militia groups?

SD_Film Artists wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:
Well said

You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

^This.

His ideal vision for Armenia is under the boot and heel of the Turkish Republic.

SD_Film Artists wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:
Well said

You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

No, I think the Armenian flag should be respected because it represents the Armenian nation, like the flags of all states. Contrary to those who do not know the history who try to justify the Dağlık Karabağ Armenian occupation. I'm not saying that the Turks are innocent, just the Muslim version of like-minded people. Regardless, we have to be one heart against anti-democratic coups because nations and religions are only names and there is only one thing that is true, that we are all human beings and there is no place for the idea of ​​fascism among humanity, this is not what develops us.

not sure what's going on, all i hope is that this doesn't fuck armenia further.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

^This.

His ideal vision for Armenia is under the boot and heel of the Turkish Republic.

His ideal vision for Armenia is no Armenia at all. The life of a single Turk is worth more than a thousand Armenians to him.

The Islands of Versilia wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
^This.

His ideal vision for Armenia is under the boot and heel of the Turkish Republic.

His ideal vision for Armenia is no Armenia at all. The life of a single Turk is worth more than a thousand Armenians to him.

That's basically what I said.

SD_Film Artists wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:
Well said

You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

Hakinda is an ethnonat. Don't take his "democratic socialist" schtick seriously.

Salus Maior wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
You know that Hakinda will call anything fascist if there's an Armenian flag on it. If this coup turns out to be vaguely fascist in nature then at best it's a stuck clock being correct twice a day.

Hakinda is an ethnonat. Don't take his "democratic socialist" schtick seriously.

All you know is to humiliate and slander, we will bring democracy to the region, despite the Armenian and Turkish racist bigots, and the anti-democrat fascist religious people will blend into the dusty pages of the history. Supporters of the coup are never open to democracy and debate, their vision is limited to this. We will defend social democracy

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:

Shrillland wrote:There's now a rally of 2,000 people led by the Dashnaks in favour of the coup attempt: https://oc-media.org/pashinyan-this-is-a-military-coup/

Social democrats against fascists to the streets ! I wish all racist anti-domocrats were out of this land. Turkish Armenian Greek Arab Kurd must unite against Fascists.

Fine words by one who talks of the "so-called Armenian genocide", wants to take over the territories of Turkey's neighbor countries, demands that people actively hero-worship various imperialist leaders of Turkey's past, hero-worship the "glorious Turkish army" (sic) and Azerbaijans recent war against Nagorno-Karabakh, and has a personal "enemy nations" list with every NSG user who has the words "Kurdistan", "Armenia" or some variation thereof in their username.

Truly the spirit of social democratic values.

The coming days won’t likely be positive for Armenia what ever the outcome. Pashinyan’s failure in the Karabakh have made him unpopular and will likely lose him the next election anyways. That being said while I don’t think a coup would lead to a junta in power it does seriously risk the peace in the Karabakh. I doubt a civil war is a possibility but renewed fighting with the Azeris, that very much is.

Baltenstein wrote:

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Social democrats against fascists to the streets ! I wish all racist anti-domocrats were out of this land. Turkish Armenian Greek Arab Kurd must unite against Fascists.

Fine words by one who talks of the "so-called Armenian genocide", wants to take over the territories of Turkey's neighbor countries, demands that people actively hero-worship various imperialist leaders of Turkey's past, hero-worship the "glorious Turkish army" (sic) and Azerbaijans recent war against Nagorno-Karabakh, and has a personal "enemy nations" list with every NSG user who has the words "Kurdistan", "Armenia" or some variation thereof in their username.

Truly the spirit of social democratic values.

Please do not go beyond the subject. dear Baltenstein, if you write this in private, I will answer you. because this topic is out of discussion.

Heloin wrote:The coming days won’t likely be positive for Armenia what ever the outcome. Pashinyan’s failure in the Karabakh have made him unpopular and will likely lose him the next election anyways. That being said while I don’t think a coup would lead to a junta in power it does seriously risk the peace in the Karabakh. I doubt a civil war is a possibility but renewed fighting with the Azeris, that very much is.

Every election is better than military rule. The region is changing. I hope the Armenian people will answer at the ballot box against those who want to prevent peace.

SD_Film Artists wrote:

Rusozak wrote:Is 2021 the year of the coup?

Armenia: This likely has its roots in the 2020 war where the Armenian government signed away a lot of land to the Azeris.

Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Armenia: This likely has its roots in the 2020 war where the Armenian government signed away a lot of land to the Azeris.

Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

You're right. I'm sure Pashinyan thought the peace deal was the only chance to save the Karabakh and I'm sure he acted in what he thought was the best way to save Armenia to fight another day, but he did lose the war and absolutely should have resigned last year after the fighting stopped.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Armenia: This likely has its roots in the 2020 war where the Armenian government signed away a lot of land to the Azeris.

Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

Turning Armenia and the Azerbaijanis into enemies is a betrayal against humanity. The mindset that should leave the real region is the 1992 fascist mindset. Those who want to prevent peace do not deserve to stand by humanity. The whole world defines armenia as an invader in the mountainous garabagh. Even the CSTO is on the side of the Azerbaijanis in the Nagorno-Karabakh issue, because there is a fact that an unjust referendum was held with genocide, so Armenia is the invader.

Heloin wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

You're right. I'm sure Pashinyan thought the peace deal was the only chance to save the Karabakh and I'm sure he acted in what he thought was the best way to save Armenia to fight another day, but he did lose the war and absolutely should have resigned last year after the fighting stopped.

The government decided to retreat peacefully from the occupied territories, but I expect the Armenian government to apologize for the war crimes they committed during the 1992 invasion. then I'll believe something has changed.But it seems that the military coup plotters want to prevent this.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:SNIP

They are enemies. And thanks to people like you they will always remain enemies because you believe the only form of peace that should be allowed is subjugation.

Kowani wrote:Source 1
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god I wish I spoke Armenian right now

anyway
the Military is demanding that the PM, Nikol Pashinyan, as well as the government resign, triggered by the firing of Tigran Khachatryan, Chief of the General Staff.
Pashinyan's declared it a coup attempt, and is calling on his supporters to come to Yerevan Plaza to defend him

the story is currently updating, sorry for the small OP

Pashinyan's sacked another military chief

I'm usually no fan of military coups in the Caucasus, but this is the one time where I'd be fully supporting the military if I was Armenian. PM Nikol Pashinyan is a traitor...[edited to avoid mod wrath] and needs to be prosecuted for his crimes against the Armenian People.

CoraSpia wrote:With that long list, are we sure the guy wasn't sacked due to payroll issues?

Considering that Pashinyan is attempting to blame the military for bullshit policies that he enacted, I doubt it's just a payroll issue.

New Jacobland wrote:Gee so first we have a coup in Myanmar and now in Armenia. 2021 has been a great year for democracy so far.

If Biden hypothetically lined up US citizens to be slaughtered by cartels, and then fired the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and forbade investigations of any kind into his actions, what would you have the US military do?

Shrillland wrote:There's now a rally of 2,000 people led by the Dashnaks in favour of the coup attempt: https://oc-media.org/pashinyan-this-is-a-military-coup/

A well deserved military coup.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Oh shit, civil war in Armenia.

Considering that you have the military who bleed for Armenia and know how to fight on one side, and a bunch of corrupt politicians on the other, this civil war will be rather short.

Shrillland wrote:

Anglicora wrote:About time. The political class betrayed Armenia. The international community abandoned her too. Hopefully the military succeeds and can restore stability and prosperity to Armenia.

The international community didn't abandon Armenia per se, although I will admit it was a failed experiment on its part. I think a lot of Western powers wanted to leave it be, thinking that a democracy could flourish whilst still technically being in Russia's sphere of influence. Kyrgyzstan's been able to do it so far, why not another country? As for the rest, this is basically the Army throwing a fit that they lost Artsakh II.

The army if throwing a fit because Pashinyan lost the war, and is now trying to blame the soldiers for it.

Kowani wrote:Okay, lots of updates: the opposition's blocking central roads in Yerevan, the Ministry of Defense's calling attempts to involve the army in the political process "inadmissible", the President isn't signing the PM's order to dismiss the General Staff Chief, and at least one opposition party (Bright Armenia) is telling their supporters to stay neutral

also we have fighter jets flying over Yerevan

The president actually grew a pair?

SD_Film Artists wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:PM Pashinyan sacked the Army deputy Chief of Staff yesterday.

Yeah but.. the war must be a background to that. IIRC it was Pashinyan who agreed that terrible deal.

It was also Pashinyan who weakened Armenia's anti-air defenses, and lost the war that led to said terrible deal. Let's say someone goes to a casino and loses all of their life savings. Then the casino owner says "I'll give you 10% of your life savings back if you never come back" and said person takes the deal. Sure, the deal sucks, but it was the gambling that led to the deal. Pashinyan being a shitty leader is probably the only thing that TEM and I agreed on - that's how bad he is!

Estado Novo Portugues wrote:While I'm not well-versed in Armenian politics, I'm completely opposed to a military takeover in any nation. The military is supposed to answer to the government (and by extension, the people), not the other way around.

Also, I read this as "American Military Demands Resignation of the Government" at first, and couldn't help to think, "Oh dear, not another January 6!"

A sound idea for April 1st! And it looks like Hakinda is just phrasing Aliyev's statements in a more diplomatic tone. Heck, if I was Aliyev, I'd want some idiot like Pashinyan as my opponent too.

Shofercia wrote:

Estado Novo Portugues wrote:While I'm not well-versed in Armenian politics, I'm completely opposed to a military takeover in any nation. The military is supposed to answer to the government (and by extension, the people), not the other way around.

Also, I read this as "American Military Demands Resignation of the Government" at first, and couldn't help to think, "Oh dear, not another January 6!"

A sound idea for April 1st! And it looks like Hakinda is just phrasing Aliyev's statements in a more diplomatic tone. Heck, if I was Aliyev, I'd want some idiot like Pashinyan as my opponent too.

The dipolomatic speech of Ilham Aliyev seems too inconsiderate to me, I think it should be more unifying. They should not be unfair about something they are right.

Anglicora wrote:About time. The political class betrayed Armenia. The international community abandoned her too. Hopefully the military succeeds and can restore stability and prosperity to Armenia.

The military that couldn't even deliver some slapping to Azerbaijan?
Rule a country?
Seriously?
The best chance for Armenia at this point would be becoming one with Putinland.

Heloin wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

You're right. I'm sure Pashinyan thought the peace deal was the only chance to save the Karabakh and I'm sure he acted in what he thought was the best way to save Armenia to fight another day, but he did lose the war and absolutely should have resigned last year after the fighting stopped.

Exactly. In the UK we a lose a Prime Minister if they come on the wrong end of a referendum rather than an actual war.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Armenia: This likely has its roots in the 2020 war where the Armenian government signed away a lot of land to the Azeris.

Any government that surrenders territory to an enemy power deserves to resign. Part of a government's job is to maintain territory and if you can't even accomplish that you failed and you should resign.

"We shall defend our homeland, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight with growing confidence in the skies, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets..... then after two weeks hand all the contested lands to the Azeris and pretend that nothing happened."