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Disgraces
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Postby Disgraces » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:59 pm

I'd rather live under totalitarianism.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Armeattla » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:00 pm

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:
Armeattla wrote:Im from germany - but its the same all over the bloody west.
We aren't even the bottom end of imperialism and the imperialism of the USA is already incomparable.

Oh, well hello there neighbour, I’m just right above you.
And yes, the US is kinda screwed sometimes, but I wasn’t really picturing them as our model for Ancap.
My biggest problem with Ancap is that you need a state to do all the things they want to.
Like enforcing the NAP, owning private property and so much more.
But a state always comes out of anarchism anyway.

not necesserily, someone once put it this way:
"What happens during anarchism? Everything, the most efficient ones will attract the people. There is no way for anarcho-capitalists to stop the collectivization of property."
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Postby Illegal Galaxies » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:00 pm

Disgraces wrote:I'd rather live under totalitarianism.


Interesting, care to expand on why?
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:01 pm

Armeattla wrote:
Sundiata wrote:What kind of property? Private property or personal property?

technically any kind of property - but yeah, almost every anarchist worth their salt doesnt recognize or refuses the concept of private property

Yeah, which is why Ancap is my favourite.
It might make no sense whatsoever, but there is always a chance that some Minutemen people will start patrolling the streets and enforcing the NAP. Which wouldn’t be paradise, or close, but at least I would have my own toothbrush.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:01 pm

Disgraces wrote:I'd rather live under totalitarianism.

That’s where I disagree with you, but I’d like to hear why you think this.
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Postby Armeattla » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:02 pm

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:
Armeattla wrote:technically any kind of property - but yeah, almost every anarchist worth their salt doesnt recognize or refuses the concept of private property

Yeah, which is why Ancap is my favourite.
It might make no sense whatsoever, but there is always a chance that some Minutemen people will start patrolling the streets and enforcing the NAP. Which wouldn’t be paradise, or close, but at least I would have my own toothbrush.

more like corporate mercenaries and henchmen - as i said, there exists no morality in a system in which capital (both physical and non-physical) is the highest good.
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THE GULASCHKANONE IS READY! Prepare for SOUP!

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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:03 pm

Armeattla wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Oh, well hello there neighbour, I’m just right above you.
And yes, the US is kinda screwed sometimes, but I wasn’t really picturing them as our model for Ancap.
My biggest problem with Ancap is that you need a state to do all the things they want to.
Like enforcing the NAP, owning private property and so much more.
But a state always comes out of anarchism anyway.

not necesserily, someone once put it this way:
"What happens during anarchism? Everything, the most efficient ones will attract the people. There is no way for anarcho-capitalists to stop the collectivization of property."

There could be one way, as I said, if there came some voluntary police/minutemen to enforce the NAP, but that is the only solution I can really think of.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig again: but already was it impossible to say which was which.”

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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:03 pm

Armeattla wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Yeah, which is why Ancap is my favourite.
It might make no sense whatsoever, but there is always a chance that some Minutemen people will start patrolling the streets and enforcing the NAP. Which wouldn’t be paradise, or close, but at least I would have my own toothbrush.

more like corporate mercenaries and henchmen - as i said, there exists no morality in a system in which capital (both physical and non-physical) is the highest good.

I can’t see why, care to explain?
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