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by Ainland » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:30 am
by Major-Tom » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:08 am
by Major-Tom » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am
Wizcity wrote:Look I don't know whether it's left wing or right wing,but I HATE immigration.I am a British,and Britain is NOT bulit on immigration like USA,so I strongly oppose this shit.I am tired of seeing foreign dudes appearing from nowhere and occupying top positions in every damn place.I still can not fathom how the FUCK is some random Asian like Rishi Sunak is the Chancellor of the Exchequer.More sadly,in the Four Great Office of the State,2 positions are occupied by Asians ! Pathetic ! The only thing left is one of these random Asians becoming the PM of UK.Fuck ! Immigration is purely an issue used by the politicians to buy votes from the people.
PS:Yes I am a white Christian,and I am proud of myself...
by Diahon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:06 pm
Wizcity wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Yes, that was your expectation. Your expectation was silly and naieve and now you suffer the consequences.
Take it like a man instead of a whiny brat.
Well,I have a simple question...why DON'T these Asians return back to their countries of origin and let us rule Britian once and for all.As it is,the Muslims have taken over several of the countries in Europe,and are planning to do the same with UK too.Borders must be closed once and for all.I would hate to see the UK being turned in Britanarabia.
by Diahon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:12 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Wizcity wrote:Look I don't know whether it's left wing or right wing,but I HATE immigration.I am a British,and Britain is NOT bulit on immigration like USA,so I strongly oppose this shit.I am tired of seeing foreign dudes appearing from nowhere and occupying top positions in every damn place.I still can not fathom how the FUCK is some random Asian like Rishi Sunak is the Chancellor of the Exchequer.More sadly,in the Four Great Office of the State,2 positions are occupied by Asians ! Pathetic ! The only thing left is one of these random Asians becoming the PM of UK.Fuck ! Immigration is purely an issue used by the politicians to buy votes from the people.
PS:Yes I am a white Christian,and I am proud of myself...
Listen, mate, be careful posting on a school computer, your principal can probably view IP histories.
by The Lone Alliance » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:25 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:The Kochs are for open borders for cheap labor. They're not left wing of course.
Theres a long history of corporations using illegal immigrants to pick fruit while paying them substandard wages. Capitalists love when they have an immigrant labor pool they can use and abuse.
by Ainland » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:29 pm
by Nilokeras » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Not always. There are left-wingers who argue against increased immigration from an economically leftist perspective, and there are right-wingers who argue for increased immigration as a means to bolster the capitalistic economy.
I'd say there are culturally and economically liberal components to being "pro-immigration" on a broad scale.
by Kowani » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:42 pm
Ainland wrote:I think the let's recent focus on issues like immigration and other woke middle class issues, has been a major contributing factor to many working class people turning to the right. Embracing Brexit, and electing Conservatives in seats they've never been elected before.
by Diahon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:43 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Theres a long history of corporations using illegal immigrants to pick fruit while paying them substandard wages. Capitalists love when they have an immigrant labor pool they can use and abuse.
They also like Legal immigration if it lets them import White Collar employees from India on Visas that they can pay substandard wages to, they then outright lay off the citizen employees before turning around and cooking the books so they can tell the government, "We can't find enough White Collar workers (Who are willing to work for a shitty wage) therefore we must import more."
At this point the only pro of unchecked immigration is that it helps corporations cut more corners in their desperate attempt to race to the bottom while delivering cheap substandard products for premium prices.
by Ainland » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:45 pm
Kowani wrote:Ainland wrote:I think the let's recent focus on issues like immigration and other woke middle class issues, has been a major contributing factor to many working class people turning to the right. Embracing Brexit, and electing Conservatives in seats they've never been elected before.
"voting for the party that wants to make your material lives worse because brown people bad"
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:47 pm
Wizcity wrote:Look I don't know whether it's left wing or right wing,but I HATE immigration.I am a British,and Britain is NOT bulit on immigration like USA,so I strongly oppose this shit.I am tired of seeing foreign dudes appearing from nowhere and occupying top positions in every damn place.I still can not fathom how the FUCK is some random Asian like Rishi Sunak is the Chancellor of the Exchequer.More sadly,in the Four Great Office of the State,2 positions are occupied by Asians ! Pathetic ! The only thing left is one of these random Asians becoming the PM of UK.Fuck ! Immigration is purely an issue used by the politicians to buy votes from the people.
PS:Yes I am a white Christian,and I am proud of myself...
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:51 pm
by Theberstan » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:53 pm
by Kowani » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:58 pm
by Ainland » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:58 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Ainland wrote:Seems a bit of an inappropriate, and naive, assumption. But it does reflect the modern view the woke middle class left have of the working class.
Hi. Working class American here. I'm very much pro-immigration and anti-Republican. Not Left either.
I don't hate "the brown man" for taking my job. I hate the rich conservative who gave it to him because he'll work for less than either of us are worth.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:09 pm
Ainland wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Hi. Working class American here. I'm very much pro-immigration and anti-Republican. Not Left either.
I don't hate "the brown man" for taking my job. I hate the rich conservative who gave it to him because he'll work for less than either of us are worth.
Hi. What does skin colour have to do with this?
Also, I'm not sure that this needs to be about hate. Many working class people have legitimate concerns about mass immigration on a particularly large scale, because of the cultural and econimic impacts it can have. Often the wealthy can be disconnected from these concerns, such as stretched public services, or employment problems or cultural issues, and simply see cheap labour. When people write off the concerns of many working class people as "hate the brown man", that's exactly the sort of thing that pushes them to the right. It's also rather ignorant, and certainly naive.
by The Lone Alliance » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:13 pm
Diahon wrote:that's on the corporations, not on the workers themselves
pay everyone just wages and let everyone who wants to migrate do so
the end
by New haven america » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:13 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:New haven america wrote:Haha, no.
Places like Finland have UBI and have basically solved their homeless issue with government funded public housing.
But since those aren't socialism or communism then they're merely center-left at best, apparently. This is the less open-mindedness I was talking about.
That is not HARD left. Hard left is things like communism or anarcho collectivism, hence why it's HARD LEFT. If Finland is HARD LEFT cause it has UBI, what the actual hell is somewhere like the where the Zapatistas reside? Super extreme leftwing as hell? You're looking at this from an American perspective, not an "open minded perspective."
by Diahon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:15 pm
by New haven america » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:15 pm
by Diahon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:17 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Diahon wrote:that's on the corporations, not on the workers themselves
pay everyone just wages and let everyone who wants to migrate do so
the end
Then the migrants will all be unemployed because without the economic motivation to pay them shit wages they won't get jobs.
So at this point you're asking to import hundreds of thousands of people to sit around and be unemployed and homeless for no reason but to feel good about yourself.
I don't care about your need to feel good about yourself, I'd rather you feel pathetic and not have the country filled with homeless immigrants.
by New haven america » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:19 pm
by Ainland » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:22 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Ainland wrote:
Hi. What does skin colour have to do with this?
Also, I'm not sure that this needs to be about hate. Many working class people have legitimate concerns about mass immigration on a particularly large scale, because of the cultural and econimic impacts it can have. Often the wealthy can be disconnected from these concerns, such as stretched public services, or employment problems or cultural issues, and simply see cheap labour. When people write off the concerns of many working class people as "hate the brown man", that's exactly the sort of thing that pushes them to the right. It's also rather ignorant, and certainly naive.
No, it is about the "brown man". It's always about the "brown man". It's always been about the "brown man". Don't give me that bullshit. 90% of the time every excuse is a smokescreen for xenophobia and racism.
"They don't speak English!"
They can learn English.
"They don't know our culture!"
They can learn our culture.
"They're all thieves, liars, and criminals!"
What makes you say that?
"Because they're not white!"
It always ends the same. Always the same dog whistle bullshit. It's never the white immigrants who get told to "go back to where [they] came from!" for a reason.
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