Battle for Iran’s Soul: Iranian Election Thread

[NationStates Puppet]

'To your shame'?

To most modern Iranian nationalists' shame actually, but yeah.

Why?

[Insaanistan]

To most modern Iranian nationalists' shame actually, but yeah.

Why?

Many Iranian nationalists view there defeat to the Muslims after making plans to invade Muslim lands and the adoption of Islam to into the country as a shameful national disgrace.

Iran was in fact Sunni majority for the longest time before a rather murderous 14 year old Armenian Kurd decided Āli was much more important and stated basically that he was fine with Christians staying Christian (note his mom was an Armenian) but that he wouldn’t stop until every Zoroastrian, Jew, and Sunni was dead or Shiā. Zoroastrianism (a native Iranian faith, mind you) was much more suppressed, and even when the violent suppression died down people were still leaving the faith so recently as I know a few Iranians whose grandparents were born Zoroastrians but converted.

[San Lumen]

Iran names the seven candidates approved for June 18 presidential election

Iran named seven candidates Tuesday for its June 18 presidential election, approving the candidacy of the hard-line cleric running the country’s judiciary while barring a former parliament speaker allied to the country’s current president.

The decision by Iran’s Guardian Council puts judiciary chief Ebrahim Raisi, who ran against President Hassan Rouhani in 2017, in a dominant position for the upcoming vote. He’s the most-known candidate of the seven hopefuls, with opinion polling previously showing his anti-corruption campaign drew Iranian support.

The announcement on state television didn’t discuss the fact that former parliament speaker Ali Larijani, a conservative who allied with Rouhani in recent years, had been barred. Larijani had been positioning himself as a pragmatic candidate who would back Rouhani’s signature 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. That accord is now in tatters as diplomats in Vienna try to negotiate a return of both Iran and the U.S. to the agreement.

Also barred was former hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Rouhani’s senior Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri, a reformist. Ahmadinejad ignored a warning from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2017 and registered, only to be rejected then as well by the Guardian Council. [...]State TV earlier quoted Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, the spokesman of the Guardian Council, as saying “only seven” had been approved out of some 590 who registered by the panel of clerics and jurists overseen by Khamenei.

They rejected the only woman running to. The council is never going to allow a woman on the ballot.

[Insaanistan]

Iran names the seven candidates approved for June 18 presidential election

Iran named seven candidates Tuesday for its June 18 presidential election, approving the candidacy of the hard-line cleric running the country’s judiciary while barring a former parliament speaker allied to the country’s current president.

The decision by Iran’s Guardian Council puts judiciary chief Ebrahim Raisi, who ran against President Hassan Rouhani in 2017, in a dominant position for the upcoming vote. He’s the most-known candidate of the seven hopefuls, with opinion polling previously showing his anti-corruption campaign drew Iranian support.

The announcement on state television didn’t discuss the fact that former parliament speaker Ali Larijani, a conservative who allied with Rouhani in recent years, had been barred. Larijani had been positioning himself as a pragmatic candidate who would back Rouhani’s signature 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. That accord is now in tatters as diplomats in Vienna try to negotiate a return of both Iran and the U.S. to the agreement.

Also barred was former hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Rouhani’s senior Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri, a reformist. Ahmadinejad ignored a warning from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2017 and registered, only to be rejected then as well by the Guardian Council. [...]State TV earlier quoted Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, the spokesman of the Guardian Council, as saying “only seven” had been approved out of some 590 who registered by the panel of clerics and jurists overseen by Khamenei.

They rejected the only woman running to. The council is never going to allow a woman on the ballot.

In the words of Rayyan Hamoudi, the Islamic world needs to be brought “into the 21st century. Or back into the 7th.”

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

When Iran becomes a modern secular republic, I wonder what attitude will the white house so-called political anti-Islamists stand. Patriotic Iranian nationalists will not forget Qasem Soleimani.

[The Imagination Animals]

When Iran becomes a modern secular republic, I wonder what attitude will the white house so-called political anti-Islamists stand. Patriotic Iranian nationalists will not forget Qasem Soleimani.

Also, when Iran does become a "modern secular republic", I feel that the politicians you described would be pleased.

[Shrillland]

There actually was a Presidential debate yesterday...and it was rowdy

[Caribbean Confederation]

There actually was a Presidential debate yesterday...and it was rowdy

It was incredibly hilarious to watch. Reza'i said he'll bar everyone else from leaving the country and take them to court if he becomes president (which, for the thing he was accusing them of, it is basically equal to "I'll have you executed if I am voted president!"). Hemati basically said he's not answering any questions asked by someone "who's going to forfeit to Ra'isi in the next few days". He also said some wildly specific shit to everyone... someone started talking Turkish.

[Shrillland]

There actually was a Presidential debate yesterday...and it was rowdy

It was incredibly hilarious to watch. Reza'i said he'll bar everyone else from leaving the country and take them to court if he becomes president (which, for the thing he was accusing them of, it is basically equal to "I'll have you executed if I am voted president!"). Hemati basically said he's not answering any questions asked by someone "who's going to forfeit to Ra'isi in the next few days". He also said some wildly specific shit to everyone... someone started talking Turkish.

Wow.....and Ra'isi's the one that's going to be elected at this rate, too.

[Caribbean Confederation]

It was incredibly hilarious to watch. Reza'i said he'll bar everyone else from leaving the country and take them to court if he becomes president (which, for the thing he was accusing them of, it is basically equal to "I'll have you executed if I am voted president!"). Hemati basically said he's not answering any questions asked by someone "who's going to forfeit to Ra'isi in the next few days". He also said some wildly specific shit to everyone... someone started talking Turkish.

Wow.....and Ra'isi's the one that's going to be elected at this rate, too.

I mean. "Elected". Virtually everyone who was going to vote and who wasn't already being paid and/or forced by the regime to vote decided to boycott these (and probably any) elections after Bloody November.

[Insaanistan]

There actually was a Presidential debate yesterday...and it was rowdy

Ah, I love African/Middle Eastern debates.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Okay, so there's really one and a half reformists as far as I can tell-Mehralizadeh and Hemmati(though Hemmati's party seems to be made by members of a government headed by an authoritarian "technocrat", so I doubt they're reformist).

[Shrillland]

Okay, so there's really one and a half reformists as far as I can tell-Mehralizadeh and Hemmati(though Hemmati's party seems to be made by members of a government headed by an authoritarian "technocrat", so I doubt they're reformist).

Rafsanjani wasn't just a technocrat, he was one of Iran's founding fathers, and a fairly moderate one at that.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Okay, so there's really one and a half reformists as far as I can tell-Mehralizadeh and Hemmati(though Hemmati's party seems to be made by members of a government headed by an authoritarian "technocrat", so I doubt they're reformist).

Rafsanjani wasn't just a technocrat, he was one of Iran's founding fathers, and a fairly moderate one at that.

I mean, he did execute communists. Then again, as far as I know every Iranian politician did that over the past half century, so I guess overall he was moderate. How was he technocratic, though? I know he favored the nuclear program, but I don't know if he appointed any outstandingly intelligent politicians to his ministries, much less follow the 30's technocracy ideology.

[Shrillland]

Rafsanjani wasn't just a technocrat, he was one of Iran's founding fathers, and a fairly moderate one at that.

I mean, he did execute communists. Then again, as far as I know every Iranian politician did that over the past half century, so I guess overall he was moderate. How was he technocratic, though? I know he favored the nuclear program, but I don't know if he appointed any outstandingly intelligent politicians to his ministries, much less follow the 30's technocracy ideology.

Well, I suppose he wasn't in that sense. When I say fairly moderate, he wasn't as tolerant as Khatami, for example, and he was a CCA member, but he wasn't as severe as some of them were and are today like Raisi is.

[The Imagination Animals]

There actually was a Presidential debate yesterday...and it was rowdy

Ngl, that’s actually a nice debate

[Kowani]

And the votes have begun!

[Shrillland]

And the votes have begun!

Not like there's any surprises expected. Raisi will win by a massive majority because anyone who opposed him is mostly going to stay home.

[San Lumen]

And the votes have begun!

Not like there's any surprises expected. Raisi will win by a massive majority because anyone who opposed him is mostly going to stay home.

Why’s that?

[Shrillland]

Not like there's any surprises expected. Raisi will win by a massive majority because anyone who opposed him is mostly going to stay home.

Why’s that?

That's just how the vote's been more or less set up. The polls(and for the most part Iranian polls are fairly accurate) show Raisi with a commanding lead and "not voting" in a clear second with Rezaee in a distant third place.

[Grootfries Rijk]

Not like there's any surprises expected. Raisi will win by a massive majority because anyone who opposed him is mostly going to stay home.

Why’s that?

You see because the main body of people who voted Reformist last time (note the Reformists themselves, who are a significantly smaller group) boycotted the election because of the, you know, thousands of people killed in Bloody November a couple of years back (this is why the Hard-liners won last year's parliamentary elections as well). Tho the people not voting are actually more than those planning on voting Raisi (and Rezaei being third is just hilarious for so many reasons)

[Dowaesk]

Poll needs update. Almost all of them on it right now has been rejected.

[Grootfries Rijk]

Poll needs update. Almost all of them on it right now has been rejected.

Yeah, pretty much. Shouldn't the actual candidates that people aren't going to vote for right now be on the poll instead of. uh. Ahmadinejad?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

And the votes have begun!

Not like there's any surprises expected. Raisi will win by a massive majority because anyone who opposed him is mostly going to stay home.

And if they don't that committee they have will count the results.

[The Jamesian Republic]

When Iran becomes a modern secular republic, I wonder what attitude will the white house so-called political anti-Islamists stand. Patriotic Iranian nationalists will not forget Qasem Soleimani.

The nation of Crossoveria certainly won't.

Also, when Iran does become a "modern secular republic", I feel that the politicians you described would be pleased.

I think lots of people around the world would be pleased. My question is however is how would that happen. Would it require a revolution, because a theocracy isn’t going to just hand over power with a snap of a finger. Another thing to consider is how would this affect the world afterwards.