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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Heloin wrote:To know the causes of the First World War one must look to the fall of Babylon.


Nah; too recent.

To know the causes of the First World War one must look to the emergence of hominids in Africa.


It's certainly a better place to look than an NSG thread where most of the answers to a historically complex problem won't stretch to five sentences.


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I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.
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Postby North Cromch » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:16 am

Serbia and Austria-Hungary. Serbia sent the guy who shot Franz, and Austria-Hungary started a hissy-fit and caused the domino chain to begin.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:19 am

Principe. He could have gone and done what normal people did like watch a soccer game or go to the beach, but he had to shoot the Archduke like his name was Joseph Anthony Colombo.
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Postby Tanzoria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:21 am

Austria-Hungary and Germany. Read Fritz Fischer's 'Germany's Aims in the First World War'

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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:23 am

Insaanistan wrote:I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.

All because the Balkans were just emerging from the 2nd Balkan War so Greater Serbian nationalism led to Serbians wanting to take Bosnia from the Austrians who took it from the Ottomans who annexed it from a medieval state of Bosnia that got independence from Hungary who got it from the Byzantines because Slavs migrated into the lands of the Byzantines who ruled over the to-become Ottoman Empire because they were the Eastern Roman Empire that split from the Western Roman Empire in 395 CE. The Romans took it during their conquests of Illyria before which the area was ruled by Illyrian tribes and kept contact with the Greeks, who had historical relations with states in the Middle East including Persia (whom they despised) and before Persia, the Lydian, Median, and Babylonian Empires. This proves that Babylon is at the centre of all problems to do with Bosnia and thus we should blame Nebuchadnezzar for WW1, WW2, and the Yugoslav Wars.
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Postby United Engiresco » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:23 am

Serbia. Princip never should've shot the Archduke.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:24 am

Insaanistan wrote:I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.


To be honest, I imagine they were about as confused as my Italian ancestors who suddenly were told to go and fight Austria despite 5 minutes ago having had a treaty with Austria. Only to then be a part of Cadorna's 12 battles of the Isonzo River.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:24 am

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Jarvikan wrote:Easily the Germans.They raised tensions hugely with both unification,colonisation,and building the navy.Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia due to German support.

Blaming the Germans for doing things that everybody else was allowed to do without blame. Sounds fair.

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Postby Jarvikan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Jarvikan wrote:Easily the Germans.They raised tensions hugely with both unification,colonisation,and building the navy.Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia due to German support.

Blaming the Germans for doing things that everybody else was allowed to do without blame. Sounds fair.

Germany already had a huge empire.They didn’t need to support Austria Hungary,and they also didn’t need a huge navy.

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Postby Bolslania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 am

While the Serbians and Austrians were the match and the powderkeg, Everyone else involved did nothing to help.

So truly everyone is at fault.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:28 am

Bolslania wrote:While the Serbians and Austrians were the match and the powderkeg, Everyone else involved did nothing to help.

So truly everyone is at fault.

For a super in depth look you need to go back to pre-Charlemagne


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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:28 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Principe. He could have gone and done what normal people did like watch a soccer game or go to the beach, but he had to shoot the Archduke like his name was Joseph Anthony Colombo.

A Yugoslav pan-nationalist killed someone who actually wasn't liked back in Vienna anyways. Another killing in a region at the time strife with political violence. The joke I said at the beginning was a joke but it rings true. Blaming Principe for the over reaction of everyone involved and the political climate that lead him to kill an Archduke is missing the forest for the trees.
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Chan Island wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.


To be honest, I imagine they were about as confused as my Italian ancestors who suddenly were told to go and fight Austria despite 5 minutes ago having had a treaty with Austria. Only to then be a part of Cadorna's 12 battles of the Isonzo River.

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Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.

All because the Balkans were just emerging from the 2nd Balkan War so Greater Serbian nationalism led to Serbians wanting to take Bosnia from the Austrians who took it from the Ottomans who annexed it from a medieval state of Bosnia that got independence from the Hungary who got it from the Byzantines because Slavs migrated into the lands of the Byzantines who ruled over the to-become Ottoman Empire because they were the Eastern Roman Empire that split from the Western Roman Empire in 395 CE. The Romans took it during their conquests of Illyria before which the area was ruled by Illyrian tribes and kept contact with the Greeks, who had historical relations with states in the Middle East including Persia (who they despised) and before Persia, the Lydian, Median, and Babylonian Empires. This proves that Babylon is at the centre of all problems to do with Bosnia and thus we should blame Nebuchadnezzar for WW1, WW2, and the Yugoslav Wars.

*Goes back in time to give early Babylon corona so it crumbles and doesn’t cause two world wars*
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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:32 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Heloin wrote:To know the causes of the First World War one must look to the fall of Babylon.


Nah; too recent.

To know the causes of the First World War one must look to the emergence of hominids in Africa.


It's certainly a better place to look than an NSG thread where most of the answers to a historically complex problem won't stretch to five sentences.

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I'm to blame for ww1

it was actually me, but go off i guess
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Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I wonder how confused my Ghanaian, Nigerian, Malian ancestors felt when they were told they had to go to France to fight for the British/French because Germany was trying to go through Belgium because the French were allies with the Russians who were going to attack the Austrians because a Serbian shot someone in Bosnia.

All because the Balkans were just emerging from the 2nd Balkan War so Greater Serbian nationalism led to Serbians wanting to take Bosnia from the Austrians who took it from the Ottomans who annexed it from a medieval state of Bosnia that got independence from Hungary who got it from the Byzantines because Slavs migrated into the lands of the Byzantines who ruled over the to-become Ottoman Empire because they were the Eastern Roman Empire that split from the Western Roman Empire in 395 CE. The Romans took it during their conquests of Illyria before which the area was ruled by Illyrian tribes and kept contact with the Greeks, who had historical relations with states in the Middle East including Persia (whom they despised) and before Persia, the Lydian, Median, and Babylonian Empires. This proves that Babylon is at the centre of all problems to do with Bosnia and thus we should blame Nebuchadnezzar for WW1, WW2, and the Yugoslav Wars.


You blame it all on Babylon, but Babylon only came to exist because of Amorite tribes settling in Mesopotamia, and drawing upon Sumerian civilisation to craft their own city states.
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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:38 am

Nea Videssos wrote:
Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:All because the Balkans were just emerging from the 2nd Balkan War so Greater Serbian nationalism led to Serbians wanting to take Bosnia from the Austrians who took it from the Ottomans who annexed it from a medieval state of Bosnia that got independence from Hungary who got it from the Byzantines because Slavs migrated into the lands of the Byzantines who ruled over the to-become Ottoman Empire because they were the Eastern Roman Empire that split from the Western Roman Empire in 395 CE. The Romans took it during their conquests of Illyria before which the area was ruled by Illyrian tribes and kept contact with the Greeks, who had historical relations with states in the Middle East including Persia (whom they despised) and before Persia, the Lydian, Median, and Babylonian Empires. This proves that Babylon is at the centre of all problems to do with Bosnia and thus we should blame Nebuchadnezzar for WW1, WW2, and the Yugoslav Wars.


You blame it all on Babylon, but Babylon only came to exist because of Amorite tribes settling in Mesopotamia, and drawing upon Sumerian civilisation to craft their own city states.

Only because agriculture came through from those early cities like Jericho and Gobekli Tepe...
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Insaanistan wrote:
Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:All because the Balkans were just emerging from the 2nd Balkan War so Greater Serbian nationalism led to Serbians wanting to take Bosnia from the Austrians who took it from the Ottomans who annexed it from a medieval state of Bosnia that got independence from the Hungary who got it from the Byzantines because Slavs migrated into the lands of the Byzantines who ruled over the to-become Ottoman Empire because they were the Eastern Roman Empire that split from the Western Roman Empire in 395 CE. The Romans took it during their conquests of Illyria before which the area was ruled by Illyrian tribes and kept contact with the Greeks, who had historical relations with states in the Middle East including Persia (who they despised) and before Persia, the Lydian, Median, and Babylonian Empires. This proves that Babylon is at the centre of all problems to do with Bosnia and thus we should blame Nebuchadnezzar for WW1, WW2, and the Yugoslav Wars.

*Goes back in time to give early Babylon corona so it crumbles and doesn’t cause two world wars*

Don't you think time travellers have already thought of that? Babylon not falling causes four world wars.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:*Goes back in time to give early Babylon corona so it crumbles and doesn’t cause two world wars*

Don't you think time travellers have already thought of that? Babylon not falling causes four world wars.

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Ifreann wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:*Goes back in time to give early Babylon corona so it crumbles and doesn’t cause two world wars*

Don't you think time travellers have already thought of that? Babylon not falling causes four world wars.


Five actually.

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Five actually.

Babylon five.


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