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by The Marlborough » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:20 am
by Senkaku » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:01 pm
Bombadil wrote: George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.[/i]
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:00 pm
by Tokora » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:58 pm
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by Crabaiaia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:15 pm
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by Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:16 pm
by The Marlborough » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:20 pm
Tokora wrote:The Black Hand, plain and simple. Not only did they assassinate the one person who could reform Austria-Hungary peacefully but his death led to 80 years of suffering for the European continent from wars to totalitarianism. I don't care for nobility and I see Franz as a flawed individual like most historical figures but I do know that you don't kill the people who are actually willing to hear you out.
Dogmeat wrote:Blaming the Germans for doing things that everybody else was allowed to do without blame. Sounds fair.
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by Dresderstan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:27 pm
Ayverin wrote:The Austrians, man. The Austrians are to blame for both World War. World War 3 may start because an Austrian woman didn't get to speak with the manager.
by Crabaiaia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:28 pm
Ayverin wrote:The Austrians, man. The Austrians are to blame for both World War. World War 3 may start because an Austrian woman didn't get to speak with the manager.
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by Postauthoritarian America » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:28 pm
by Miku the Based » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm
Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:To really understand the causes of WW1, one must look back to the Archean Eon and the evolution of chemotrophic prokaryotic ancestors from the primitive primordial soup. For additional reading I would look into the Great Oxygenation Crisis that ultimately led to the development of oxygen metabolizing life and consequently Eukaryotes.
by Rusozak » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:30 pm
Ayverin wrote:The Austrians, man. The Austrians are to blame for both World War. World War 3 may start because an Austrian woman didn't get to speak with the manager.
by Federation of American States » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:32 am
by Insaanistan » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:12 am
The Two Jerseys wrote:Serbia for assassinating the archduke, and Russia for not minding their own business.
by Taiwanese South West Africa » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:22 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:47 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:49 am
The Marlborough wrote:The German Empire is the primary actor to blame for the start of WWI. The German government during the July Crisis actively sought to provoke Russia and France and pushed the Austro-Hungarians to take very extreme and firm measures. The Russians initially were furious with the Serbians and pushed them to accept most of the Austro-Hungarian demands which the Serbs did do. The Austro-Hungarians were also willing to accept the Serbs position but the German government basically bullied the Austro-Hungarians into rejecting it. The Germans knew that this would anger the Russians who couldn't afford to see Serbia, a country they basically were promising to protect, laid to waste and would go to war to prevent that which in turn would bring the French into the fold. The German government purposefully sought to neuter Russian and French power since the "diplomacy" of Wilhelm II had increasingly left Germany with very few friends and the friends they had weren't necessarily the strongest. Russia was also in the midst of industrialization and modernizing its military which the Germans were afraid of. A war with Russia also meant a war with France, their other rival and so knocking both of them out at the same time would leave Germany secure as the most powerful state in Europe and able to stand on equal footing with the British Empire who it was also in a strategic competition with in parts of Africa and the Pacific and most notably had resulted in a massive arms race between the two empires' navies. The only thing the Germans were afraid of was British intervention in the war but they thought Britain wouldn't actually get involved even if Belgium was invaded. Unfortunately, the British tried to play the neutral actor role for too long that July and by the time the British government signaled it would actually defend Belgium it was too late. The Germans did try to scramble to bring everything to a close after that but by then things had already crossed the Rubicon and war was more or less inevitable.
by The Two Jerseys » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:47 am
Although the assassination itself was more or less just chance. Gavrilo Princep happened to be at the right place at the right time, and Ferdinand happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. No planning was really involved.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:53 am
The Two Jerseys wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Parts of the Serbian military had connections with the Black Hand.
Parts of the Serbian military literally were the Black Hand.Although the assassination itself was more or less just chance. Gavrilo Princep happened to be at the right place at the right time, and Ferdinand happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. No planning was really involved.
Technically it was planned, though it only succeeded through dumb luck.
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