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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:41 am

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New haven america wrote:And would you consider indiscriminate murder and rape bad?


Yup. However this doesn’t mean the net effect of Empire of Japan existing is bad. I never argued that Unit 731 was awesome. My argument has always been “despite the atrocities the Empire of Japan is net beneficial to humanity.”

The current nation certainly is, they sell beer in vending machines. 1930's Japan, not so much.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:42 am

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New haven america wrote:Then why are you trying to threadjack it into the China abolition thread?

Also, if Japan got their way you would've never been born. You know that right?


Which would have been awesome I guess? Moreover that’s actually not true. Do you actually think the Empire of Japan treated non-Japanese like Nazis treated Jews?

Yes.

In fact, Japan's attack on Nanking was considered so brutal it made the Nazi German ambassador look like a good guy because he allowed refugees and victims to stay at the embassy compound.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:43 am

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Which would have been awesome I guess? Moreover that’s actually not true. Do you actually think the Empire of Japan treated non-Japanese like Nazis treated Jews?

Yes.

In fact, Japan's attack on Nanking was considered so brutal it made the Nazi German ambassador look like a good guy because he allowed refugees and victims to stay at the embassy compound.


This is why you can’t tell the difference between atrocities and genocides. Japanese atrocities were mostly akin to violent crime. They were really just armed people murdering and raping for lulz without any ideology or intention to wipe out a population. Same for Italian atrocious. German genocides on the other hand aimed at exterminating people.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:44 am

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New haven america wrote:Yes.

In fact, Japan's attack on Nanking was considered so brutal it made the Nazi German ambassador look like a good guy because he allowed refugees and victims to stay at the embassy compound.


This is why you can’t tell the difference between atrocities and genocides.

So what would you consider their attempts at wiping out Chinese minority groups to be?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:45 am

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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
This is why you can’t tell the difference between atrocities and genocides.

So what would you consider their attempts at wiping out Chinese minority groups to be?


Was that intentional? If it was then it is genocide. If not then it was a consequence of their drug policy or something else.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:45 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Really? You don’t. So I guess you need to see them. My oldest account is actually in 2016-2017 lol.

I don't care. You defend genocidal empires, unironically support a Jewish supremacist militant group, advocate for WW3 against China, then backtrack when people mirror your proposals. In my book you're generally a horrible person.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:46 am

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New haven america wrote:So what would you consider their attempts at wiping out Chinese minority groups to be?


Was that intentional? If it was then it is genocide. If not then it was a consequence of their drug policy or something else.


Japan regularly used the opium trade to try and wipe out minority groups.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:46 am

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New haven america wrote:So what would you consider their attempts at wiping out Chinese minority groups to be?


Was that intentional? If it was then it is genocide. If not then it was a consequence of their drug policy or something else.

Yes
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:47 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Really? You don’t. So I guess you need to see them. My oldest account is actually in 2016-2017 lol.

I don't care. You defend genocidal empires, unironically support a Jewish supremacist militant group, advocate for WW3 against China, then backtrack when people mirror your proposals. In my book you're generally a horrible person.


Why do you think I actually do these? Note that this place isn’t /pol on 8chan. The possibility of anything here leading to even one human death is very low.

P.S. Why do I call myself Neko and a serious of cat + nation names? Who do you think I am? Lol.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:48 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:So saying "Abolish China" isn't giving genocidal people ideas? I see.. Is it because you're already genocidal and thus didn't get 'given' the idea since you already had it? (Although no idea is truly unique so I suppose you were given it somewhere..)


This is not the China abolition thread. If you think abolitionism is genocidal then you haven’t read my proposals.

You were the one going on about giving people 'ideas'. Of course saying 'abolish this, abolish that' will make someone think "KILL [ETHNIC GROUP] GRR".

Wishful thinking that says the end goal isn't genocide by no means makes it so that genocide won't be done outside of your 'glorious oversight'. Even if China's abolition miraculously doesn't lead to such a massive loss of life that one could class it as a genocide, then ethnic cleansing operations will still happen on a smaller scale.

The thread is still on topic about the East Asian condition thanks to Japan and this 'digression' is merely to argue a point that your hatred of China directly correlates with your passionate love for genocidal empires like Japan.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:48 am

New haven america wrote:
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Was that intentional? If it was then it is genocide. If not then it was a consequence of their drug policy or something else.

Yes


Then it was genocide and was actually a very serious problem. “Do not do genocide” is a pretty important norm to universally uphold if you don’t want an ethnoglobe.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:50 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes


Then it was genocide and was actually a very serious problem. “Do not do genocide” is a pretty important norm to universally uphold if you don’t want an ethnoglobe.

And yet you've spent the past how many pages supporting Japan's attempted genocide of basically all of East Asia?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:50 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Then it was genocide and was actually a very serious problem. “Do not do genocide” is a pretty important norm to universally uphold if you don’t want an ethnoglobe.

And yet you've spent the past how many pages supporting Japan's attempted genocide of basically all of East Asia?


There was no such attempt. Sigh. You really think along Nazi lines.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:52 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
New haven america wrote:And yet you've spent the past how many pages supporting Japan's attempted genocide of basically all of East Asia?


There was no such attempt. Sigh. You really think along Nazi lines.

Please reread your involvement during the past 9 pages, thank you.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:53 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Why do you think I actually do these? Note that this place isn’t /pol on 8chan. The possibility of anything here leading to even one human death is very low.

P.S. Why do I call myself Neko and a serious of cat + nation names? Who do you think I am? Lol.

And why is your little BS ideology important to what I said? You literally support fascist policies.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:You really think along Nazi lines.

Coming from a guy who supported the Lehi and defended Fascist Japan is incredibly rich.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:53 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
There was no such attempt. Sigh. You really think along Nazi lines.

Please reread your involvement during the past 9 pages, thank you.


Attempted genocide of all of East Asia..seriously?!
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:58 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Why do you think I actually do these? Note that this place isn’t /pol on 8chan. The possibility of anything here leading to even one human death is very low.

P.S. Why do I call myself Neko and a serious of cat + nation names? Who do you think I am? Lol.

And why is your little BS ideology important to what I said? You literally support fascist policies.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:You really think along Nazi lines.

Coming from a guy who supported the Lehi and defended Fascist Japan is incredibly rich.


I’m here to maximize the amount of cattiness on NSG by following existing logic and forcing hoomanz to be consistent. Since hoomanz are hypocritical as hell everyone hates me. Yay!
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
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Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
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Postby Diahon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:59 am

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Picairn wrote:Nekostan coming in to justify Japanese imperialism in 3... 2... 1...


Yup. The Empire of Japan was awesome. The only issue here is that it shouldn’t have picked fight with Anglos which caused a lot of sorrows on both sides.


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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:00 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Picairn wrote:And why is your little BS ideology important to what I said? You literally support fascist policies.


Coming from a guy who supported the Lehi and defended Fascist Japan is incredibly rich.


I’m here to maximize the amount of cattiness on NSG by following existing logic and forcing hoomanz to be consistent. Since hoomanz are hypocritical as hell everyone hates me. Yay!

And yet no one here even knows who you are.
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Diahon wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Yup. The Empire of Japan was awesome. The only issue here is that it shouldn’t have picked fight with Anglos which caused a lot of sorrows on both sides.


hi pinoy here
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the fuck

Look you just dont understand the glory of N I P P O N
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Postby Nekostan-e Sharqi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I’m here to maximize the amount of cattiness on NSG by following existing logic and forcing hoomanz to be consistent. Since hoomanz are hypocritical as hell everyone hates me. Yay!

And yet no one here even knows who you are.


Good bye guys. I’m leaving.

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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:I’m here to maximize the amount of cattiness on NSG by following existing logic and forcing hoomanz to be consistent. Since hoomanz are hypocritical as hell everyone hates me. Yay!

Everyone hates you because of the reasons I cited.
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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 am

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Picairn wrote:I don't care. You defend genocidal empires, unironically support a Jewish supremacist militant group, advocate for WW3 against China, then backtrack when people mirror your proposals. In my book you're generally a horrible person.

P.S. Why do I call myself Neko and a serious of cat + nation names? Who do you think I am? Lol.


Now I'm not EXACTLY sure but I remember a Neko-Koku or whatever and then before that I remember some EastKekistan nation that advocated for a White-Asian ethnostate that excluded black people and called them inferior.

Now I don't know if that WAS you but I remember that Neko-Koku was definitely that person.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1229445

This seem familiar to anyone?
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The trolling was fun hahahahahahahahahahaha

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