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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19 am

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New haven america wrote:1. No, I'm truthfully answering your question. If we're going by your logic than Anglo Americans are even lower than German descended ones.
2. You know Polynesians are considered to be classed in with Asians right? So ~50%-60% depending on your source. Gee, you sure showed me by proving that Hawaiians are the majority of Hawaii.


Polynesians are Pacific Islanders in US censuses lol.

Yes, but as I said, depending on your source they can get grouped up with Asians.

So yeah, still ~50%-60%. Congrats.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19 am

Polynesians 1000% are not considered Asians in the Census lol
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19 am

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New haven america wrote:And would you consider indiscriminate murder and rape bad?


Yup. However this doesn’t mean the net effect of Empire of Japan existing is bad.

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Postby Comerciante » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:20 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Yup. However this doesn’t mean the net effect of Empire of Japan existing is bad.

I feel like I'm Man Ray talking to Patrick.

Hey not cool I called dibs on the Spongebob Memes nearly when this thread started.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:22 am

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New haven america wrote:I feel like I'm Man Ray talking to Patrick.

Hey not cool I called dibs on the Spongebob Memes nearly when this thread started.

I'll use my imagination and say I called dibs.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:22 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Polynesians are Pacific Islanders in US censuses lol.

Yes, but as I said, depending on your source they can get grouped up with Asians.

So yeah, still ~50%-60%. Congrats.


Sigh. Do you even realize that in the link I shared there is a separate Native Hawaiian category?! It is about 10%.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:23 am

The idea of a Pan-Asian alliance was originally proposed by left-wing intelligentsia and radical anti-capitalist elements in the army which were suppressed during the thirties, but the implementation during the World War was purely for Japanese colonial interests and only succeeded in turning the rest of Asia against them. Whereas people such as Kita Ikki and Nishida Kitaro were sincere about their desire for a league of Asian states (where Japan would have probably have assumed a place similar to the USA today), racial supremacism was unfortunately pervasive in the military and combined with a military culture of cruelty, is what lead to them brutalizing the people they claimed to be liberating.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:23 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Polynesians 1000% are not considered Asians in the Census lol


I mean..seriously. They really just need to click on that link. Guess what? “Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander” are there. Moreover the definition of that category and “Asian” are clearly available through the same link.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:25 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:For what? You want a depopulate & repopulate?

No, no, you see. I want a "peaceful" abolition of Japan, with Japanese people continuing to live as US citizens. The process will be entirely peaceful!

Unless you don't know what sarcasm is, I'm mirroring you.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:25 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Picairn wrote:Nekostan coming in to justify Japanese imperialism in 3... 2... 1...


Yup. The Empire of Japan was awesome. The only issue here is that it shouldn’t have picked fight with Anglos which caused a lot of sorrows on both sides.


Don't you constantly claim I'm a crypto-traditionalist, while you're defending a reactionary empire lol?

Confucianism was ideologically pervasive in Showa Japan, such as the Shinmin no Michi manifesto.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:27 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:For what? You want a depopulate & repopulate?

No, no, you see. I want a "peaceful" abolition of Japan, with Japanese people continuing to live as US citizens. The process will be entirely peaceful!

Unless you don't know what sarcasm is, I'm mirroring you.


That of course can not happen.

You don’t understand the purpose of China abolitionism and hence spread nonsense here..
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:28 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:For what? You want a depopulate & repopulate?

No, no, you see. I want a "peaceful" abolition of Japan, with Japanese people continuing to live as US citizens. The process will be entirely peaceful!

Unless you don't know what sarcasm is, I'm mirroring you.

"The Japanese Empire wasn't bad, they just wanted to ethnically cleanse the entirety of East Asia."

I feel like I need to put a massive /s on this one, lest a certain not so sarcasm savvy user gets a "bright" idea.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:30 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:Don't you constantly claim I'm a crypto-traditionalist, while you're defending a reactionary empire lol?

At this point I'm convinced he's a fascist masquerading as an anarcho-capitalist. Dude not only defends the Japanese Empire but also the British Empire, and stated that he is a fan of the Lehi.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:That of course can not happen.

Why not? The US can abolish Japan and split it into 4 states under Soviet, Chinese, British and US control. Complete pacification!

You don’t understand the purpose of China abolitionism and hence spread nonsense here..

As nonsensical as your BS proposals?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 am

New haven america wrote:
Picairn wrote:No, no, you see. I want a "peaceful" abolition of Japan, with Japanese people continuing to live as US citizens. The process will be entirely peaceful!

Unless you don't know what sarcasm is, I'm mirroring you.

"The Japanese Empire wasn't bad, they just wanted to ethnically cleanse the entirety of East Asia."

I feel like I need to put a massive /s on this one, lest a certain not so sarcasm savvy user gets a "bright" idea.


In case you wonder, for actually genocidal people even that gives them ideas.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:32 am

Picairn wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Don't you constantly claim I'm a crypto-traditionalist, while you're defending a reactionary empire lol?

At this point I'm convinced he's a fascist masquerading as an anarcho-capitalist. Dude not only defends the Japanese Empire but also the British Empire, and stated that he is a fan of the Lehi.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:That of course can not happen.

Why not? The US can abolish Japan and split it into 4 states under Soviet, Chinese, British and US control. Complete pacification!

You don’t understand the purpose of China abolitionism and hence spread nonsense here..

As nonsensical as your BS proposals?

I’m an ailurocrat.

Of course abolition of Japan could happen. It doesn’t mean it is actually a good idea.

This is not the China abolition thread. The purpose of abolishing China is precisely establishing some normal polities there. What else do you think abolitionism is about?
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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:35 am

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New haven america wrote:"The Japanese Empire wasn't bad, they just wanted to ethnically cleanse the entirety of East Asia."

I feel like I need to put a massive /s on this one, lest a certain not so sarcasm savvy user gets a "bright" idea.


In case you wonder, for actually genocidal people even that gives them ideas.

So saying "Abolish China" isn't giving genocidal people ideas? I see.. Is it because you're already genocidal and thus didn't get 'given' the idea since you already had it? (Although no idea is truly unique so I suppose you were given it somewhere..)
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 am

Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
In case you wonder, for actually genocidal people even that gives them ideas.

So saying "Abolish China" isn't giving genocidal people ideas? I see.. Is it because you're already genocidal and thus didn't get 'given' the idea since you already had it? (Although no idea is truly unique so I suppose you were given it somewhere..)


This is not the China abolition thread. If you think abolitionism is genocidal then you haven’t read my proposals.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 am

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Picairn wrote:At this point I'm convinced he's a fascist masquerading as an anarcho-capitalist. Dude not only defends the Japanese Empire but also the British Empire, and stated that he is a fan of the Lehi.


Why not? The US can abolish Japan and split it into 4 states under Soviet, Chinese, British and US control. Complete pacification!


As nonsensical as your BS proposals?

I’m an ailurocrat.

Of course abolition of Japan could happen. It doesn’t mean it is actually a good idea.

This is not the China abolition thread. The purpose of abolishing China is precisely establishing some normal polities there. What else do you think abolitionism is about?

Then why are you trying to threadjack it into the China abolition thread?

Also, if Japan got their way you would've never been born. You know that right?
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:I’m an ailurocrat.

Of course abolition of Japan could happen. It doesn’t mean it is actually a good idea.

This is not the China abolition thread.

Meh, you support genocidal policies and defend genocidal empires, then when people mirror your proposals you backtrack. I don't think I should waste more time with the thread.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 am

New haven america wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:I’m an ailurocrat.

Of course abolition of Japan could happen. It doesn’t mean it is actually a good idea.

This is not the China abolition thread. The purpose of abolishing China is precisely establishing some normal polities there. What else do you think abolitionism is about?

Then why are you trying to threadjack it into the China abolition thread?

Also, if Japan got their way you would've never been born. You know that right?


Which would have been awesome I guess? Moreover that’s actually not true. Do you actually think the Empire of Japan treated non-Japanese like Nazis treated Jews?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:38 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:I’m an ailurocrat.

Of course abolition of Japan could happen. It doesn’t mean it is actually a good idea.

This is not the China abolition thread.

Meh, you support genocidal policies and defend genocidal empires, then when people mirror your proposals you backtrack. I don't think I should waste more time with the thread.


Then you don’t understand my real purpose on NSG.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:39 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Then you don’t understand my real purpose on NSG.

I've seen enough of your posts to understand your "real purpose".
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:39 am

Picairn wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Then you don’t understand my real purpose on NSG.

I've seen enough of your posts to understand your "real purpose".

Really? You don’t. So I guess you need to see them. My oldest account is actually in 2016-2017 lol.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:40 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
New haven america wrote:Then why are you trying to threadjack it into the China abolition thread?

Also, if Japan got their way you would've never been born. You know that right?


Which would have been awesome I guess? Moreover that’s actually not true. Do you actually think the Empire of Japan treated non-Japanese like Nazis treated Jews?


I mean, yeah? I'll repeat what I said earlier, several small ethnic groups in Manchuria were almost entirely wiped out by Japan and even the groups that weren't slated for extermination were just used as ways to improve Japans own power.
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Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12:28 wrote:To those who ask 'Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?', I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and not withstanding, that I have not seen my soul either, and yet I honor it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.
Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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