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Saint Arsenio wrote:

Novokria wrote:It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

You're exaggerating now. If he knew what the student identified as but purposefully misgendered him, there's a problem there. It would have been different had he not known and apologized, but he said himself that he had no regrets.

But why should people have to respect transgender people? they are not like homosexuals but imo homosexuals have no choice.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:You're exaggerating now. If he knew what the student identified as but purposefully misgendered him, there's a problem there. It would have been different had he not known and apologized, but he said himself that he had no regrets.

But why should people have to respect transgender people? they are not like homosexuals but imo homosexuals have no choice.

Why should I respect your gender? Because it's the decent thing to do. Transgenders also have no choice.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:You're exaggerating now. If he knew what the student identified as but purposefully misgendered him, there's a problem there. It would have been different had he not known and apologized, but he said himself that he had no regrets.

But why should people have to respect transgender people? they are not like homosexuals but imo homosexuals have no choice.

You just answered your own question. Transgender people are people too.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:I'm not so sure he did it accidentally. Here's a quote (from him) that I found in an article: "He said said he had no regrets over his comments and "in both cases" had been "punished" for being "vocal about my Christian position".

Also, being fired isn't imprisonment.

It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

LGBT-run prison camps are just a meme and nobody is going to be sent to one for misgendering or making jokes about gay people/disagreeing with gay people. There are a lot more important matters to deal with in most countries than arresting homophobes and transphobes, so long as they aren't actually being criminals they aren't doing anything harmful and so won't be sent to prison. Trust me, I'm not very pro LGBT (fine with gay people however not so keen on trans people (I don't hate trans people as I'm friends with one, but I don't really agree with them) or the however many genders thing) but I'm not worried about being sent to the gay-run death camps or any other right wing fantasy location that only exists because you people are looking for some non-existent enemy of the White race/whatever.

However I know your post history and you fanatic religious types are generally difficult to reason with, so I won't be able to convince you of anything most likely.

So, what shall we talk about now that that conversation is on hold for a week?

Istoreya wrote:So, what shall we talk about now that that conversation is on hold for a week?

Good question.

You can't just hate people for being gay. We must "Love thy Neighbor." Plus if we treat gay people like crap we can't expect them to treat us any better. We can attempt to show them to the light but we can't force Christianity on people. The Gay people have a right to be gay, We might not like them being gay but we must still respect them as a fellow human.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:You're exaggerating now. If he knew what the student identified as but purposefully misgendered him, there's a problem there. It would have been different had he not known and apologized, but he said himself that he had no regrets.

But why should people have to respect transgender people? they are not like homosexuals but imo homosexuals have no choice.

A fair question. In this case the answer however is "because the employer considers that part of the job".
If your religion prevents you from doing your job.. find another.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:I'm not so sure he did it accidentally. Here's a quote (from him) that I found in an article: "He said said he had no regrets over his comments and "in both cases" had been "punished" for being "vocal about my Christian position".

Also, being fired isn't imprisonment.

It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

You are not the victim. Straight people are not the victim. Conservatives are not the fucking victims here. LGBTQ people are literally being arrested and even executed in certain parts of the world. Chechnya for example, where gay people are locked away in horrible prison and labour camps simply for being gay. LGBTQ people have been persecuted for decades before homosexuality was legalised in most of the world.

And you dare to put yourself and conservatives in the victim role? Conservatives are the most privileged people in the world that rarely if ever had to face any form of oppression, hate speech or bigotry. Conservatives literally have all of the cake for themselves, and when minorities ask for a few crumbs, conservatives cry and scream they're starving while stuffing their mouth with handfuls of cake.

You are not oppressed. You are not a victim. You are not the target of bigotry and hate speech.

Marxist Germany wrote:When people get imprisoned in the UK for misgendering people on Twitter, or for training a pug to raise its right arm, this is tyranny. You have no right to stop someone from saying something because you do not like it, especially when "hate speech" is arbitrary, subjective, and can be easily abused.

Wow, did your arm pop out of its socket when you pulled that piece of information out of its context? Because I'm not sure such a move is humanly possible.

Loeje wrote:

Prydania wrote:You can't respect someone if you hold the belief that they are somehow "lesser."

Homophobia is never justified. Next question.

You can disagree with them and respect them. It just doesn't seem to be very common among people who are homophobic. But it's possible.

You can't disagree that someone is gay. If an individual is homophobic, they view people who are LGBT as lesser or as repugnant, or unworthy of the same rights and respect as heterosexuals; this extends far further than disagreements. Homophobia inherently means that the level of respect is far far less, you cannot truly respect a member of the LBGT as a homophobe. Anybody who is a homophobe but says that they respect homosexuals are lying to themselves and to you

District-6a wrote:

Loeje wrote:You can disagree with them and respect them. It just doesn't seem to be very common among people who are homophobic. But it's possible.

You can't disagree that someone is gay. If an individual is homophobic, they view people who are LGBT as lesser or as repugnant, or unworthy of the same rights and respect as heterosexuals; this extends far further than disagreements. Homophobia inherently means that the level of respect is far far less, you cannot truly respect a member of the LBGT as a homophobe. Anybody who is a homophobe but says that they respect homosexuals are lying to themselves and to you

Agreed. Homophobia and respecting gay people are mutually exclusive. True respect isn't possible when you consider someone or something as lesser, worse or reprehensible.

The gay panic defense is absurd, so no.

New Rogernomics wrote:The gay panic defense is absurd, so no.

How the fuck is that legal?

National Capitalist United States wrote:

New Rogernomics wrote:The gay panic defense is absurd, so no.

How the fuck is that legal?

Exactly. And yet there are some people here who moan and groan that they are berated for expressing highly bigoted views, when there's literally gay people being murdered because some straight guy can't distinguish simple politeness from sexual advances. And yet the conservatives claim they're the ones that are being oppressed and spout utter nonsense about being sent to prison camps

Daarwyrth wrote:

District-6a wrote:
You can't disagree that someone is gay. If an individual is homophobic, they view people who are LGBT as lesser or as repugnant, or unworthy of the same rights and respect as heterosexuals; this extends far further than disagreements. Homophobia inherently means that the level of respect is far far less, you cannot truly respect a member of the LBGT as a homophobe. Anybody who is a homophobe but says that they respect homosexuals are lying to themselves and to you

Agreed. Homophobia and respecting gay people are mutually exclusive. True respect isn't possible when you consider someone or something as lesser, worse or reprehensible.

You’re owning this thread and I live for every bit of it.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:I'm not so sure he did it accidentally. Here's a quote (from him) that I found in an article: "He said said he had no regrets over his comments and "in both cases" had been "punished" for being "vocal about my Christian position".

Also, being fired isn't imprisonment.

It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

LGBT people were literally victims of the holocaust so this comment is really fucking gross.

Greater Mobile wrote:

Daarwyrth wrote:Agreed. Homophobia and respecting gay people are mutually exclusive. True respect isn't possible when you consider someone or something as lesser, worse or reprehensible.

You’re owning this thread and I live for every bit of it.

*tips hat* what can I say, I just hate being called sinful or a genetic mutation.

Novokria wrote:

Saint Arsenio wrote:I'm not so sure he did it accidentally. Here's a quote (from him) that I found in an article: "He said said he had no regrets over his comments and "in both cases" had been "punished" for being "vocal about my Christian position".

Also, being fired isn't imprisonment.

It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

I can be fired for being gay, but you don't see me spewing nonsense about camps being around the corner. Though pray-the-gay-away camps already exist anyways.

Hating someone because they are homosexual is homophobia. Hating someone because they are trans is transphobia. Hating someone because of their race is racism.

Hate is never justified and can never be justified.

If an LGBT person hates a heterosexual (straight) because of their sexuality, that's heterophobia.

If someone hates a cisgender person because of their traditional gender identity, that's cisphobia.

Daarwyrth wrote:

Greater Mobile wrote:
You’re owning this thread and I live for every bit of it.

*tips hat* what can I say, I just hate being called sinful or a genetic mutation.

You and me both. You’re being far more restrained than I think I could be, tbh. I’ve spent my entire life begging for respect and decency. I’m at the point where I’m done asking for permission to exist.

Either way, I applaud you for putting it all into words rather eloquently

"Hate is never justified"
Proceeds to hate the opposing comments.
While the haters pat each others backs.

As I am catching up on these pages this is just getting more and more entertaining.

Greater Mobile wrote:

Daarwyrth wrote:*tips hat* what can I say, I just hate being called sinful or a genetic mutation.

You and me both. You’re being far more restrained than I think I could be, tbh. I’ve spent my entire life begging for respect and decency. I’m at the point where I’m done asking for permission to exist.

Either way, I applaud you for putting it all into words rather eloquently

Thank you. Believe me, tho, my restraint is really has been really put to the test at times in this thread. But unlike conservatives do with gay people, I don't react with panic when I meet one. I just explain to them why they're wrong as calmly as I can.

Tundra Terra wrote:"Hate is never justified"
Proceeds to hate the opposing comments.
While the haters pat each others backs.

As I am catching up on these pages this is just getting more and more entertaining.

So calling people out on their bigotry and countering bigoted viewpoints with reason is called "hate" these days, huh? Who would have thought. But that is typically how conservatives respond to their viewpoints being countered. From what I have seen, you either have to agree with them or you're oppressing them, and anything in between is impossible. And God forbid you actually promote a minority's rights, because then you're part of some grand conspiracy against them!

Genivaria wrote:

Novokria wrote:It starts with people being fired and it ends with people in camps

LGBT people were literally victims of the holocaust so this comment is really fucking gross.

Says the political wing which routinely equates holocaust survivers and their decendents with apartheid.

Tundra Terra wrote:"Hate is never justified"
Proceeds to hate the opposing comments.
While the haters pat each others backs.

As I am catching up on these pages this is just getting more and more entertaining.

Sometimes hate is justified.

For example, I hate fascists. I hate racists. I hate homophobes. There are plenty of people deserving of hate and ostracism. If you are homophobic you should rightfully be shunned from society as an outcast. This whole “you shouldn’t hate anyone” schtick is counterproductive. Tolerating intolerance is the best way to kill tolerance. Respecting disrespect is the best at to kill respect.

While i do enjoy the occasional sneer contest with certain ladies. I am making a general comment on the thread as a whole so why is your panties up in a bunch Daar?