Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Crabaiaia]

Eh, it can be justified to hate the act of homosexuality as an act, I would certainly abstain from having sex with a man in the future but not to hate gays as people

Homosexuality is not an act, it is a sexuality.

No I mean like having sex with someone of the same-sex, not the feeling of attraction to people of the same sex.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If religious conservatives simply kept quiet and allowed gay people to have all the rights they have, there wouldn't have been a problem. If they want to think that gay sex is a sin, so be it. But if they simply keep those thoughts to themselves or those in their religious community, fine. However, that is not the case in reality. In reality, religious conservatives are actively working on having gays be refused the same rights as others have, such as marriage, the right to adopt/have children etc. They actively seek to impose their religious dogmas on everyone else in society, without any regard for the fact whether other people even agree with their religious ideals. Look at Poland, where religious ultra-conservatives have heavily infringed upon the rights of women, for the sake of their religious dogmas. That is where the problem lies in and why it is problematic that gays are called sinful. Because that phrase is used to actively find ways to oppress gay people in society. It therefore no longer becomes quiet thought, but a tool of oppression. That is why simple respect means shit if that person is also supporting endeavours that take away or infringe upon someone's human rights, in this case that of an LGBTQ individual.

But now you're conflating someone expressing their opinion with someone actively trying to oppress gay people. Just because one might say "homosexuality is a sin" doesn't mean one can't actively support LGBTQ rights.

Why would a Christian support the ability to sin? The reactionaries hate gay people and could never be an ally.

[Genivaria]

Homosexuality is not an act, it is a sexuality.

No I mean like having sex with someone of the same-sex, not the feeling of attraction to people of the same sex.

That has a name, it's called sex.

[Crabaiaia]

No I mean like having sex with someone of the same-sex, not the feeling of attraction to people of the same sex.

That has a name, it's called sex.

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That has a name, it's called sex.

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

They have a right to exercise their first amendment speech without violence or imprisonment. And I have a right to say "screw off and leave the gay people alone. Stop being so sensitive."

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That has a name, it's called sex.

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

You can have your beliefs. That’s not the problem per se. The problem is when you use that belief system to actively deny a demographic of rights.

[Crabaiaia]

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

They have a right to exercise their first amendment speech without violence or imprisonment. And I have a right to say "screw off and leave the gay people alone. Stop being so sensitive."

Agreed.

[Grenartia]

No, never. Why is this even a question, it should be obvious. [/thread]

No it can't. Anyone who thinks it can is wrong.

Not sure why this is even a question.....

SMDH my head. If you're going to plagiarize, Sniff, at least make it less obvious.

[Fartsniffage]

No, never. Why is this even a question, it should be obvious. [/thread]

No it can't. Anyone who thinks it can is wrong.

Not sure why this is even a question.....

SMDH my head. If you're going to plagiarize, Sniff, at least make it less obvious.

I'm wrong. Everyone attack Gren.

[Diahon]

in a word, no

[San Lumen]

That has a name, it's called sex.

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

No they don't. It is not justified in any way.

[Crabaiaia]

Oh ok, not that I have anything against gay people, but I also think homophobes have a right to some form of mild homophobia

No they don't. It is not justified in any way.

Then what's the point of having free speech laws, If they can't even say anything against gay people?

[Rusozak]

Do you honestly not see how your opinions negatively affect LGBT people?

I'm against gay marriage not against gay people

"I'm not homophobic, I just don't think the gays should have rights."

Please, explain the difference.

[San Lumen]

No they don't. It is not justified in any way.

Then what's the point of having free speech laws, If they can't even say anything against gay people?

No one said they can't say anything. Its when your actions harm others such as trying to revoke their rights or restrict them from your business.

[Wallenburg]

No they don't. It is not justified in any way.

Then what's the point of having free speech laws, If they can't even say anything against gay people?

Free speech is not unlimited. See: harassment, threats of violence, defamation.

[Crabaiaia]

Then what's the point of having free speech laws, If they can't even say anything against gay people?

No one said they can't say anything. Its when your actions harm others such as trying to revoke their rights or restrict them from your business.

Of course violence is not good against anyone but I'm specifically talking about anti-gay speech

[San Lumen]

No one said they can't say anything. Its when your actions harm others such as trying to revoke their rights or restrict them from your business.

Of course violence is not good against anyone but I'm specifically talking about anti-gay speech

You want to say anti gay things go ahead but there are limits to what you can say and you don't get to impose your views on others.

[Crabaiaia]

Then what's the point of having free speech laws, If they can't even say anything against gay people?

Free speech is not unlimited. See: harassment, threats of violence, defamation.

I am not talking about harassment or any of that I am talking about oppositions to gay marriage or just abstinence from gay sex

[Crabaiaia]

Of course violence is not good against anyone but I'm specifically talking about anti-gay speech

You want to say anti gay things go ahead but there are limits to what you can say and you don't get to impose your views on others.

I am not anti-gay, but I think anti-gay people can talk their mind however they like for long it doesn't incite violence

[San Lumen]

You want to say anti gay things go ahead but there are limits to what you can say and you don't get to impose your views on others.

I am not anti-gay, but I think anti-gay people can talk their mind however they like for long it doesn't incite violence

say what you want but courts and legislatures across the Americas and Europe have said there is a right to same sex marriage and adoption. In my country the Supreme Court ruled it was a right under the 14th amendment.

[Crabaiaia]

I am not anti-gay, but I think anti-gay people can talk their mind however they like for long it doesn't incite violence

say what you want but courts and legislatures across the Americas and Europe have said there is a right to same sex marriage and adoption. In my country the Supreme Court ruled it was a right under the 14th amendment.

Of course

[Greater Mobile]

The existence of homophobes is why I don't believe in the concept of "free speech".

[San Lumen]

say what you want but courts and legislatures across the Americas and Europe have said there is a right to same sex marriage and adoption. In my country the Supreme Court ruled it was a right under the 14th amendment.

Of course

It seems we are in agreement then.

[Wallenburg]

Free speech is not unlimited. See: harassment, threats of violence, defamation.

I am not talking about harassment or any of that I am talking about oppositions to gay marriage or just abstinence from gay sex

You can practice abstinence all you want, LGBT+ people are not asking you to spread 'em on their behalf.

[Crabaiaia]

I am not talking about harassment or any of that I am talking about oppositions to gay marriage or just abstinence from gay sex

You can practice abstinence all you want, LGBT+ people are not asking you to spread 'em on their behalf.

Understood.