Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Caraani]

It's a feature, really. Have you seen men of different races? Oof

What about them ?

They're fineee

[Borderlands of Rojava]

"Violent resistance to the state" -> Literally marching on the streets showing people we exist. <<<<<<- VIOLENCE

I was referring to the Rohyngia and Uyghers, who have used violence.

You kind of don't have a choice when the state is violent towards you. As far as I'm concerned, if the state steps out of line, violence isn't the answer. Violence is a question. The answer is yes.

[Miku the Based]

It's the duty for humanity to abolish the gay and get rid of the gay gene. They say it's partially genetic and partially culture/society.
Functionally gays serve no purpose to society if they can't reliably pass thier genes to thier offspring and only serve as mindless consumer and worker drones. Thier life is condemned to suffering and I feel sorry for them.
IC: we just genetically modify the human genome to get rid of the gay gene and have a culture where it doesn't exist. The government is the nanny state that takes care of the children, not gay uncles. Anybody who is still somehow gay gets a free boat ride to England as I heard they love gays over there (concerning their regime change threats to ghana). We stand in solidarity with Ghana and Belarusia on this issue.

In-character... in General.

Read my signature, all my responses have been in character.
All my statements in this thread that are not responses have been OOC.

[Senkaku]

Yes, if gay people just stopped complaining about being persecuted, everyone would stop persecuting them! Why has no one thought of this, we should tell the Rohingya and the Uyghurs to try it too!

As opposed to violent resistance to the state, which has worked wonders for both groups, yeah?

Certainly worked a hell of a lot better than rolling over and waiting for death. The Arakan Army and the various Turkestan liberation groups have gotten their licks in; Stonewall gave us cover for a peaceful movement over here in the States. How have you of all people suddenly been taken in by the lure of complete and total non-violence?

Implicit in your acceptance of my analogy is the idea that you think the CCP and the Tatmadaw would be treating their respective genocide victims better if they didn’t resist, which is fucking batshit crazy.

[SimTropican]

What's the point? those protestant "churches" have no theological authority or control over Christian Orthodoxy and are already considered heretics. Even the more liturgic churches are considered invalid with all their sacraments so Idk what your getting at. A Baptist doesn't have the ability to stop us from believing in Christ's Physical Body, Blood Soul and Divinity in the Holy Mysteries (Communion) just as the Roman Pope can't force us to accept the Filioque in the Nicene Creed. Just because they accept it doesn't change anything.

And meanwhile you are heretics where they are concerned, and have no theological authority.

That's the point, just because one church does something doesn't mean all the others are obligated or forced to do it too...

What is recognized as marriage at the end of the day's up to the individuals and churches, No one's forcing them to stop using the term marriage at least in the US (Idk about other countries) the first amendment basically puts the choices in the hands of individuals so no one's obligated or forced to recognized homosexual partnerships as marriages, and said homosexual partnerships can call themselves marriages (Personally I think government should get out of all partnerships but that's just me)

[The New California Republic]

In-character... in General.

Read my signature, all my responses have been in character.
All my statements in this thread that are not responses have been OOC.

NSG is exclusively OOC.

[Zul-ar]

It's the duty for humanity to abolish the gay and get rid of the gay gene. They say it's partially genetic and partially culture/society.
Functionally gays serve no purpose to society if they can't reliably pass thier their genes to thier their offspring and only serve as mindless consumer and worker drones.Thier Their life is condemned to suffering and I feel sorry for them.
IC: we just genetically modify the human genome to get rid of the gay gene and have a culture where it doesn't exist. The government is the nanny state that takes care of the children, not gay uncles. Anybody who is still somehow gay gets a free boat ride to England as I heard they love gays over there (concerning their regime change threats to ghana). We stand in solidarity with Ghana and Belarusia on this issue.

This is NSG, we don't do IC here.

[Caraani]

Again, the regimes in these countries aren't going anywhere, so you have to work with them whether you want to or not.

Neither are gay people. As long as straights exist, they'll continue to make gay people. And the longer we go forward, the less will people across the world stand for descrimination and killing of others, especially when there's no good reason for it. So these regimes will have to deal with us too. Regimes fall, we've been here since we started having nipples back when we were still ancient primates.

[Gongsi]

Ah, Christian traditionalism/culturalism/revisionism. The one thing that can stand in the way of Christ's doctrine of love, compassion, forgiveness, and non-judgement. What would we do without it?

First I'm Christian Orthodox, not Roman Catholic so there's that, but I stand by church, doctrine, Dogma and tradition which I've made clear before. I said it before and I'll say it again I'm not forcing my beliefs on others marriage to us is entirely an internal matter within parishes as a Sacrament. Ya'll can call your hetrosexual, homoesexual and whatever else partnerships "marriages" all you want but the Church doesn't recognize it as a marriage if it's not done sacramentally within a church and fall into church teachings. I thought ya'll said you wouldn't force your views on religious folk, (Besides it being illegal and violating religious freedom (At least in the United States)).

This topic was on homophobia (Which attacking or hating anyone for any reason is something the church is against, even when we don't agree with what they're doing)

(I'd get into all the theology of Holy Marriage in Holy Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and whatnot but It'd be off topic and I don't want to frustrate anyone here)

I may have been unclear. If so, I apologize. You should be free to believe what you want, including believing homosexuality to be sinful. I was merely arguing against pushing Christian values through secular law. Everyone should be free to believe as they choose. Heck, I even support religions not recognizing homosexual marriages.

I also agree with your stance on homophobia. It doesn't matter our differences, it does not justify hate or violence against others.

I would further expound on my views on Christian tradition and it's incompatibility with the Bible and Christ, but that is a discussion for another thread. Perhaps another time.

[Necroghastia]

It's the duty for humanity to abolish the gay and get rid of the gay gene.

it's the duty of humanity to abolish shit takes like this

They say it's partially genetic and partially culture/society.

whomst the fuck is "they"

Functionally gays serve no purpose to society if they can't reliably pass thier genes to thier offspring

since when did "purpose to society" solely consist of reproduction
also, for the umpteenth time, gay people can have kids

and only serve as mindless consumer and worker drones.

ah yes, mindless drones, the lot of them.

Thier life is condemned to suffering and I feel sorry for them.

the only people causing us suffering are people like you who are hellbent on denying our humanity

IC: we just genetically modify the human genome to get rid of the gay gene and have a culture where it doesn't exist. The government is the nanny state that takes care of the children, not gay uncles. Anybody who is still somehow gay gets a free boat ride to England as I heard they love gays over there (concerning their regime change threats to ghana). We stand in solidarity with Ghana and Belarusia on this issue.

the general subforum is not an in-character board.

[Istoreya]

In-character... in General.

Read my signature, all my responses have been in character.
All my statements in this thread that are not responses have been OOC.

"Non-reponses are OOC"
"I don't reply OOC"
I'm sorry, now I'm more confused. Care to give a simple yes or no - was that "extermination of gay gene" post OOC or IC?

[Genivaria]

It’s not a problem.

It's a feature, really. Have you seen men of different races? Oof

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

[Daarwyrth]

those protestant "churches" have no theological authority or control over Christian Orthodoxy and are already considered heretics.

And they consider you heretics. And I bet there are dozens of religions across the globe that consider you and everyone else also heretics. And on and on the heretical circle goes without end. Doesn't it tire you calling everyone who doesn't share your belief heretics? Literally every other religion on this godforsaken rock does the same, so who is the real heretic? Who has found the truth? You? Nah uh, protestants claim you don't. Catholics? Nah uh! They claim neither protestants nor you have found the truth.

Every corner of this planet claims to have found THE ONE TRUE FAITH, so which is it? Because if everyone claims to be the one true faith, how can they all be right when they claim everyone else is wrong? It's all made up, it's all created to exert social control.

[The New California Republic]

It's a feature, really. Have you seen men of different races? Oof

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

Those Orc beefcakes tho...

[Caraani]

It's a feature, really. Have you seen men of different races? Oof

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

There exists truth, and then there's this post. Elven men are supreme-

-ly sexy.

[Caraani]

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

Those Orc beefcakes tho...

A man of culture.

[Intaglio]

I'm going to say no; to me, there's no reason to hold that kind of hatred towards anyone based on something like sexuality. Even if you're from a religion that considers homosexuality sin, that's still not a reason to hate them, unless you plan aon holidng that kid of hate for every sinner.

[Genivaria]

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

There exists truth, and then there's this post. Elven men are supreme-

-ly sexy.

Ugh degenerate elf lover, probably hug trees too.

[Punished UMN]

As opposed to violent resistance to the state, which has worked wonders for both groups, yeah?

Certainly worked a hell of a lot better than rolling over and waiting for death. The Arakan Army and the various Turkestan liberation groups have gotten their licks in; Stonewall gave us cover for a peaceful movement over here in the States. How have you of all people suddenly been taken in by the lure of complete and total non-violence?

Implicit in your acceptance of my analogy is the idea that you think the CCP and the Tatmadaw would be treating their respective genocide victims better if they didn’t resist, which is fucking batshit crazy.

Actually, no, those groups got their respective populations thrown in concentration camps and expelled from the country, so no, it actually didn't work at all, and only made things worse.

And I'm not suggesting just not resisting, I'm suggesting making overtures to major political factions.

[Istoreya]

Human Men> Elven Men.
Filthy knife ears.

There exists truth, and then there's this post. Elven men are supreme-

-ly sexy.

There are various interpretations of elves across the many fantasy worlds and this post is either accurate or scary depending on which you mean.

[Luziyca]

To paraphrase Comrade Enver Hoxha, "the entire party and country should hurl into the fire and break the neck of anyone who dares trample underfoot the sacred edict of the party on the defense of LGBT rights." Homophobia cannot, nor should it ever, be justified.

[Nakena]

There exists truth, and then there's this post. Elven men are supreme-

-ly sexy.

Ugh degenerate elf lover, probably hug trees too.

Dark Elves are superior though.

[Punished UMN]

To paraphrase Comrade Enver Hoxha, "the entire party and country should hurl into the fire and break the neck of anyone who dares trample underfoot the sacred edict of the party on the defense of LGBT rights." Homophobia cannot, nor should it ever, be justified.

Enver Hoxha was against LGBT rights.

[Poshyte]

"Can Homophobia be justified?"
Option 1: No
Option 2: No
Option 3: No
Option 4: No
Option 5: No

[SimTropican]

First I'm Christian Orthodox, not Roman Catholic so there's that, but I stand by church, doctrine, Dogma and tradition which I've made clear before. I said it before and I'll say it again I'm not forcing my beliefs on others marriage to us is entirely an internal matter within parishes as a Sacrament. Ya'll can call your hetrosexual, homoesexual and whatever else partnerships "marriages" all you want but the Church doesn't recognize it as a marriage if it's not done sacramentally within a church and fall into church teachings. I thought ya'll said you wouldn't force your views on religious folk, (Besides it being illegal and violating religious freedom (At least in the United States)).

This topic was on homophobia (Which attacking or hating anyone for any reason is something the church is against, even when we don't agree with what they're doing)

(I'd get into all the theology of Holy Marriage in Holy Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and whatnot but It'd be off topic and I don't want to frustrate anyone here)

I may have been unclear. If so, I apologize. You should be free to believe what you want, including believing homosexuality to be sinful. I was merely arguing against pushing Christian values through secular law. Everyone should be free to believe as they choose. Heck, I even support religions not recognizing homosexual marriages.

I also agree with your stance on homophobia. It doesn't matter our differences, it does not justify hate or violence against others.

I would further expound on my views on Christian tradition and it's incompatibility with the Bible and Christ, but that is a discussion for another thread. Perhaps another time.

I respect that, I was arguing against the seculars trying to get involved in entirely internal matters of The Church such as the Sacrament of marriage, which the seculars nor any protestant churches will ever have any control or say. I also agree in the age old adage "Live and let live" (going back to my original post about parallel Polaris in terms of morality since it's based entirely on voluntary participation) if they want to live in partnerships and call it marriage they can go ahead, I know the Church (The Orthodox One) will never recognize it as such just as they won't recognize straight heathen or secular partnerships as marriages. If they really value equality they should be against forcing things on people against their will or beliefs rather than trying to do such. As an Orthodox Christian I won't use birth control, watch porn, or anything else I consider sinful based on my voluntary willingness to not so such things. Just as I'll refuse to celebrate secular holidays or other religion's holidays doesn't mean I'm somehow oppressing them based on my individual choice. Really individual choice in theory is the best choice instead of trying to force beliefs on others.

Further I'd hope everyone would agree that disagreement and hate are two different things. I'm never going to be a Muslim, never will celebrate their holidays, never agree that Allah is god or practice their rituals but I don't hate them. Idiots who use violence really are taking away the chose of the other which is inconsistent with a free society and no one should justify clear acts of violence but disagreement is the cornerstone of a free society and no one should involuntarially be forced to agree with anything or participate against their will in anything.

Also who knows maybe this will come up in the next Christian Discussion Thred...