Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Novokria]

Its just not right to call it marriage when its between two men like i support gays having the same rights as straight couples but it just feels wrong calling it a marriage

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

[Genivaria]

But why should their parents not be married?

Its just not right to call it marriage when its between two men like i support gays having the same rights as straight couples but it just feels wrong calling it a marriage

Why?
Provide something other than your personal preference.

[Senkaku]

It's almost like LGBT people will attack states that think hanging and murdering LGBT people is legitimate. As for the US aid for them, you talk as if we're some sort of spy organisation, when said aid is similar to war-torn countries and aid for organisations meant for women's rights.

Yeah, and I'm saying that's still bad political strategy because such attacks legitimize political repression. States would be less inclined to persecute LGBT rights groups if those groups were supportive of the state and its political objectives, which are in fact not always motivated by simple prejudice.

Yes, if gay people just stopped complaining about being persecuted, everyone would stop persecuting them! Why has no one thought of this, we should tell the Rohingya and the Uyghurs to try it too!

[Novokria]

Its just not right to call it marriage when its between two men like i support gays having the same rights as straight couples but it just feels wrong calling it a marriage

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

[Ainland]

As long as the law is in the business of defining legal marriage, it should be open to both straight people and gay people. No church or religious institution should be under any obligation to marry anyone they don't want to. Religious marriage is legally insignificant, so they can do what they like.

If the law wants to change the word marriage to civil union, fine, it makes no difference. As long as it applies to everyone, gay and straight. And again, churches can do what they like, it's legally insignificant.

The law should stay out of the church, and vice versa.

[SimTropican]

People can call it what they want and try to pretend homosexual partnerships are marriages all they want but for the Church marriage according to Holy, Scripture, Holy Tradition and natural law is between One Man, and One Woman within the church. To us, Holy Marriage is a Sacrament and not merely another relationship status. All partnerships outside of the Church aren't considered marriages since it lacks the Sacrament done by in the Church by a Cleric. The Church doesn't consider any partnerships outside of Christian Orthodoxy as marriages, Straight, Homosexual or even those done by protestant "churches". We do recognize the sacramental validity of the Roman Catholic Church including marriages and allow marriages between Orthodox and Catholics even though we're not in communion with the Roman Church. Outside of the Church marriages don't exist no matter what they call their partnerships and that won't change. We can't stop them from using the term marriages for their partnerships, but on the flip side they can't stop us from seeing marriage only as a Holy Sacrament (One of the seven sacraments in Christian Orthodoxy).

It is also important to separate homosexual attraction from those who put their entire identity in homosexuality. We understand people may have attraction to those of the same sex, unlike those protestant fundamentalists we don't say they "go to hell". We do believe that acting on those attractions puts the immortal soul in danger of condemnation at the last judgement but repentance is for all who seek it. Christian Orthodoxy's as much a lifestyle than it is a faith and living a life of morality and prayer is a key part of it for people of the opposite sex as much as the same sex attracted.
We don't consider it homophobic since it's not an irrational fear (Phobia means an irrational fear) rather our doctrine and dogmas teaches clearly on such topics and we consider it an act of mercy to sometimes say the hard truth. I could put a post to summarize Orthodox theology on the next Christian discussion forum but simply put while we recognize the importance of Faith and works for accepting the gift of salvation we recognize the mysteries of God's plan and how we cannot know if people saved on this side of eternity thus we are charged to pray for those fallen asleep.

Really the definition of marriage is a voluntary choice not always based on homophobia so trying to shut all disagreements down with so called "Hate Speech" won't end well for you. (Islam also has similar views so would you be Islamophobic trying to force your culture on them?) Really if you want a multicultural county less government mandated views and more voluntary participation is the best way to go. Government should keep the peace whenever needed, and act like a referee and ensure things remain fair. Beyond that a multicultural society would exist with a bunch of cultural parallel Polaris morality structures based on voluntary participation. If the left really wants to destroy their own activism than good luck trying to force other cultures like those based on Islam to accept it without being Islamophobic

Its a not a lifestyle as its not a choice.

What are you suggesting that LGBT should live a completely sterile and lonely life never marrying or engaging in relations?

I was referring to Orthodox Christianity in general's a lifestyle so people who decide to become Orthodox choose a moral life. I'm not advocating forcing anyone to become Orthodox or live our lifestyle but I was making the case that since we only recognize marriages within the church, our morals are involved. What happens in the bedroom of homosexuals isn't the business of government either so it's their choice (A free society is based on having the freedom to make individual choices)

[Zul-ar]

ayyo why would do dat????

To help people have children?

Money. Money is the correct answer.

[Istoreya]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

Why should it not be? What prevents words from changing meaning over time, or for terms to be redefined as required?

[Senkaku]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

Very well. Since we need to secure an alliance with the headman of the next village over, you’re marrying one of his kids and going to live with them. Enjoy! Hopefully they don’t have prima noctae!

[Necroghastia]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

why not? tradition for tradition's sake is not always good, and not everyone shares in your own traditions.

[Genivaria]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

Setting aside that tradition is completely subjective you're just making another assertion.
Does same sex marriage do some kind of harm? Does it infringe on anyone's freedom?
Give a reason that's actually relevant.

[The New California Republic]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

Why?

[Rapperland]

To help people have children?

Money. Money is the correct answer.

on jah ppl gotta make bread

[Senkaku]

Anyway, you can justify anything if you have a sufficient command of language, but whether that justification makes logical sense or is morally acceptable to your fellow humans is another question

[Loeje]

Why is it not right to call it a marriage?

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

That is taking away people's rights. And the traditional definition is wrong, for that matter.

[Novokria]

Because the Traditional definition of Marriage should not be changed

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

[Esalia]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

If he's so insulted he can sort it out himself.

[Loeje]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

It's more of an insult to God to hate God's creation.

[Ainland]

I remember it was British Prime Minister, David Cameron, leader of the oldest and most successful Conservative party in the world, who when leading the legalization of gay marriage, said to his party membership: "Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us. I don't believe in gay marriage despite being a Conservative, I believe in gay marriage because I'm a Conservative".

Point being, since gay people do exist, it is far better to encourage and promote stable, commited relationships, and the responsibility that comes with that. It is perhaps this consistency with conservative values which causes a majority of Christians in every Western European country to support gay marriage.

[Genivaria]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

Cool than don't officiate same sex weddings in your church, now give a reason that should matter to people with different religious views.

[Istoreya]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

Why should we non-Christians care about the opinion of a fake sky daddy?

[Necroghastia]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

1. where is the definition you are citing from?
2. how do we know that definition is from a higher power?
3. why does your own tradition of "marriage" supersede all others? what makes others less valid?

[Zul-ar]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

Why shouldn't I insult God?

[The New California Republic]

Why?

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

Is it? Why should secular society give a shit?

[Rapperland]

It is an insult to God to change his definitions

Why should we non-Christians care about the opinion of a fake sky daddy?

he real whataya talkin bout bruv