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Postby Silvedania » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:48 am

Goatmoon wrote:I'm not a conservative, nor a Christian. Most people, including me, could care less what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home, as long as children or animals aren't being harmed. I don't know anyone outside of religious fanatics who want to persecute homosexuals.

What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.

But not all LGBTQIA+ people are hypersexual, just some of them. Maybe you shouldn't look down on all gay people because not all of them are what is bothering you. Generalization leads to stereotypes, which leads to hate.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:48 am

Goatmoon wrote:I'm not a conservative, nor a Christian. Most people, including me, could care less what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home, as long as children or animals aren't being harmed. I don't know anyone outside of religious fanatics who want to persecute homosexuals.

What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy,

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and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted,

cishet people's sex lives are way more "constantly promoted." do you take issue with that too?
and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.

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Goatmoon wrote:I'm not a conservative, nor a Christian. Most people, including me, could care less what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home, as long as children or animals aren't being harmed. I don't know anyone outside of religious fanatics who want to persecute homosexuals.

What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.


National traditions deserve to be destroyed if they are tools of oppression.

No one is “shoving” homosexuality in your face any more than heterosexuality has been “shoved” in mine. Heterosexuality is constantly promoted in our society to the point that you are probably blind to it. You don’t think twice about seeing a commercial with a heterosexual couple, but the second it has a homosexual couple people claim that it’s being “shoved in their face”.

More often than not, “tradition” is just the baggage of a less advanced time. Embrace progress.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:51 am

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Postby Caraani » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:51 am

Goatmoon wrote:I'm not a conservative, nor a Christian. Most people, including me, could care less what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home, as long as children or animals aren't being harmed. I don't know anyone outside of religious fanatics who want to persecute homosexuals.

What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.

Just for the memo - when you see two gay guys hold hands, or two lesbians kissing in a restaurant, or companies "acknowledging gay people" during that one month cause they can profit off of it, that's not culture of sexual deviancy, or shoving our sexuality in your face, or being constantly promoted, that's us existing. Heteroxual homophobes, such as yourself, have been used for so long with us simply not existing, that our mere existence and the mere acknowledgement of our existence seems to you as privileges and shoving it in your face. If you want to see sexuality being shoved in people's faces, and being over-promoted, you can watch any f**king film bro; it's full of heteros always making sex jokes, dick jokes, pussy jokes, banging each other, kissing each other, and making babies. Now that's what shoving sexuality down people's throats is.

As for the part where we somehow pervert and destroy entire national cultures - I will leave that be since I get it, you hates us. I won't touch that bit of crazy shit with a 10-meter long pole, to be sure.
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Postby Caraani » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:53 am

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Goatmoon wrote:What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.

Literally turn on the TV and heterosexuality is pouring in through every single pixel of your device. Love Island, Temptation Island, Hotel Paradise, it's all about horny heterosexuals humping one another every chance they get. And yet it's the gays that are parading their sexuality in other people's faces, right... it's not like every single movie, or every single tv series is loaded with men and women going at it with one another whenever there is an opportunity. Literally everything in society is catered towards heterosexuals, and yet when gay people demand the tiniest piece of the cake, we're suddenly pushing our sexuality in other people's faces.

Heterosexuals -> Literally doing soft porn in PG-13 movies. = Normal, not at all promiscuous or shoving sexuality in people's faces. Carry on.
Homosexuals -> Two gay girl characters hold hands in a cartoon, two men hold hands in the public bus = HOLY FUCKING SHIT, THEY ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING OUR NATIONAL TRADITIONS
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Postby Esalia » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:54 am

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Depends on how exactly they're treating sins and what they're calling a sin.

I don't believe that you can genuinely respect someone and believe that a core part of them means that they're inherently more evil, or are doing an evil thing just by going about their day-to-day life.

And if the sins are so unimportant that you can hold someone routinely sinning because it is a core, unchangeable part of who they are as somehow not lesser, then I question the point of sins and declaring it a sin in the first place.

Calling it a sin is a little silly, but even if it is a sin, it is absolutely possible to still treat people the same way because everyone is equally evil.


I doubt that, though it's probably due to how often I see "I don't hate gay people, I just hate the sin of same-sex sex!" being a cover for homophobia that I doubt the legitimacy of anyone calling anything to do with gay people a sin and also claiming to not be homophobic.
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Postby Arkhane » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:55 am

Any form of hatred can be justified; men, women, children, the elderly, animals, insects, telemarketers, companies, businesses, fandoms, entire communities, religions, races, nationalities, music, art, food.

I don't see why gays should be a special exception. I know a lot of fellow gay men and straight men who I believe are lesser than I am and are currently in need of a horrific culling.

The thing about justification is it entirely depends on the person or group. And anyone who claims that they do not possess any range of negative attitudes or opinions towards anyone or any group or anything is lying to themselves.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:56 am

Caraani wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Literally turn on the TV and heterosexuality is pouring in through every single pixel of your device. Love Island, Temptation Island, Hotel Paradise, it's all about horny heterosexuals humping one another every chance they get. And yet it's the gays that are parading their sexuality in other people's faces, right... it's not like every single movie, or every single tv series is loaded with men and women going at it with one another whenever there is an opportunity. Literally everything in society is catered towards heterosexuals, and yet when gay people demand the tiniest piece of the cake, we're suddenly pushing our sexuality in other people's faces.

Heterosexuals -> Literally doing soft porn in PG-13 movies. = Normal, not at all promiscuous or shoving sexuality in people's faces. Carry on.
Homosexuals -> Two gay girl characters hold hands in a cartoon, two men hold hands in the public bus = HOLY FUCKING SHIT, THEY ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING OUR NATIONAL TRADITIONS

I know, right? I mean, have you ever seen an episode of Love Island, Temptation Island or Hotel Paradise? Like... they literally show a man and a woman having sex under the sheets on TV. They almost don't shove the camera under the sheets to see what is going on underneath. Somehow that is not pushing one's sexuality in other's people faces? Making a programme like Temptation Island where heterosexual couples are being actively promoted to cheat on their partners is not sexual deviancy?
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Postby Gongsi » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:56 am

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Goatmoon wrote:I'm not a conservative, nor a Christian. Most people, including me, could care less what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home, as long as children or animals aren't being harmed. I don't know anyone outside of religious fanatics who want to persecute homosexuals.

What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.


National traditions deserve to be destroyed if they are tools of oppression.

No one is “shoving” homosexuality in your face any more than heterosexuality has been “shoved” in mine. Heterosexuality is constantly promoted in our society to the point that you are probably blind to it. You don’t think twice about seeing a commercial with a heterosexual couple, but the second it has a homosexual couple people claim that it’s being “shoved in their face”.

More often than not, “tradition” is just the baggage of a less advanced time. Embrace progress.

Tradition, when immutable, is the rot of all that is good. Doesn't matter if it's religion, ethnic, or national. It blinds us from possible faults and reinforces archaic biases. The sooner we can learn to not cling to tradition liking starving babies the better.
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Postby Loeje » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:57 am

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Loeje wrote:Calling it a sin is a little silly, but even if it is a sin, it is absolutely possible to still treat people the same way because everyone is equally evil.


I doubt that, though it's probably due to how often I see "I don't hate gay people, I just hate the sin of same-sex sex!" being a cover for homophobia that I doubt the legitimacy of anyone calling anything to do with gay people a sin and also claiming to not be homophobic.

It's a better kind of homophobia, at least. As long as they don't treat anyone differently.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:02 am

Arkhane wrote:I don't see why gays should be a special exception. I know a lot of fellow gay men and straight men who I believe are lesser than I am and are currently in need of a horrific culling.

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Postby Greater Mobile » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:05 am

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I doubt that, though it's probably due to how often I see "I don't hate gay people, I just hate the sin of same-sex sex!" being a cover for homophobia that I doubt the legitimacy of anyone calling anything to do with gay people a sin and also claiming to not be homophobic.

It's a better kind of homophobia, at least. As long as they don't treat anyone differently.


It absolutely is not “a better kind of homophobia”. Homophobia is homophobia is homophobia. There aren’t degrees to it.

Saying “I’m not homophobic, but being gay is a sin worthy of eternal punishment in hell” makes you a homophobe. Saying “I’m not racist, I just think that black people deserve to burn in hell for eternity” makes you a horribly racist person.

Either one is a bigot or they are not. Chopping bigotry up into stages or levels is counterproductive.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am

Goatmoon wrote:What I have a problem with, is this culture of sexual deviancy, and your sex life being shoved in our faces and being constantly promoted, and the attempt to pervert and destroy national traditions.


Where exactly do you feel its being shoved into a face and be promoted? In mainstream media?
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Postby Holy Valia » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am

homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,

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Postby Arkhane » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am

Istoreya wrote:
Arkhane wrote:I don't see why gays should be a special exception. I know a lot of fellow gay men and straight men who I believe are lesser than I am and are currently in need of a horrific culling.

https://youtu.be/h6ADwSaNqXA?t=395


Now I didn't say I hate everyone equally, in fact, I just specified which ones I hate particularly at the moment. People who claim to "hate everyone equally" are just deceptive as people who claim to have no hate.

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Postby Loeje » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am

Greater Mobile wrote:
Loeje wrote:It's a better kind of homophobia, at least. As long as they don't treat anyone differently.


It absolutely is not “a better kind of homophobia”. Homophobia is homophobia is homophobia. There aren’t degrees to it.

Saying “I’m not homophobic, but being gay is a sin worthy of eternal punishment in hell” makes you a homophobe. Saying “I’m not racist, I just think that black people deserve to burn in hell for eternity” makes you a horribly racist person.

Either one is a bigot or they are not. Chopping bigotry up into stages or levels is counterproductive.

There absolutely are degrees to it. I see a difference between people who seem to want someone like me to burn in hell and the ones who believe that it is possible and don't want it to happen. Both aren't perfect, but the second is a lot better.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am

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Now I didn't say I hate everyone equally, in fact, I just specified which ones I hate particularly at the moment. People who claim to "hate everyone equally" are just deceptive as people who claim to have no hate.

I'm just making a joke. The vine was the first thing that came into my head when you said that.

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Postby Greater Mobile » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:10 am

Holy Valia wrote:homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,


You’ve very obviously never met any gay people. Your small-minded bigotry is sad and pathetic. Hopefully one day, maybe after middle school, you’ll look back and be absolutely embarrassed at the delusions you used to believe.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:11 am

Holy Valia wrote:homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,

Did you know that-
  • Straight people can get STDS
  • Straight people can be child molesters
  • Straight people can sleep with a lot of people
  • Straight people can be abusive
  • Cisgender people can be suicidal
  • And most importantly
  • You should back up your bull with some sauce
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Postby Greater Mobile » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:12 am

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It absolutely is not “a better kind of homophobia”. Homophobia is homophobia is homophobia. There aren’t degrees to it.

Saying “I’m not homophobic, but being gay is a sin worthy of eternal punishment in hell” makes you a homophobe. Saying “I’m not racist, I just think that black people deserve to burn in hell for eternity” makes you a horribly racist person.

Either one is a bigot or they are not. Chopping bigotry up into stages or levels is counterproductive.

There absolutely are degrees to it. I see a difference between people who seem to want someone like me to burn in hell and the ones who believe that it is possible and don't want it to happen. Both aren't perfect, but the second is a lot better.



We’ll have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, if someone believes that I deserve to be set on fire for eternity, they are a horrible person
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:13 am

Holy Valia wrote:homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,


About 100 sexual partners? Most gay guys wish, sheesh.

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Postby Esalia » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:14 am

Holy Valia wrote:homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,


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Postby Greater Mobile » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:15 am

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Holy Valia wrote:homophobia is always justified because being gay is immoral and wrong. not only is it disgusting, but there are consequences to being gay (example, there are a lot of std's you can get). also despite just being 2% of the population, gays are 50% of child molesters. the average gay man has at about 100 sexual partners per year. 92% of lesbian relationships end up being abusive. 56% of transgenders attempt suicide. if so much pride then why so much suicide? not only that, but generally gays are the most rotten and mean people you will ever meet. they get offended by literally anything and demand to be more privileged than you. if you dont fulfill one of their demands they go ape shit. so yes, homophobia is and will always be justified,


About 100 sexual partners? Most gay guys wish, sheesh.


That part stuck out to me too lmaooo. I’m in a monogamous relationship now but damn - 100 per year? I don’t even know anyone who’s broken 10 in 5 years. The gays are down bad in my area I guess :lol2:
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:16 am

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About 100 sexual partners? Most gay guys wish, sheesh.


That part stuck out to me too lmaooo. I’m in a monogamous relationship now but damn - 100 per year? I don’t even know anyone who’s broken 10 in 5 years. The gays are down bad in my area I guess :lol2:


100 new partners a year requires a lot of stamina, I'd imagine. Maybe they only surveyed guys with unbelievable cardiovascular endurance. Either that or its' silly crap. Probably that.
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