Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Gongsi]

"Accept drag queen story time and half naked men with cock lollipops parading infront of your children or you're literally Hitler and should have your life destroyed." - the "tolerant" left.

Having bounced around the political spectrum like a pinball, I still don't understand where all this weird nonsense is coming from. Why must everything be so inflated out of proportion that it floats far away from reality? This stuff is like "slippery-slope" turned up to 11!

[Washington Resistance Army]

"Accept drag queen story time and half naked men with cock lollipops parading infront of your children or you're literally Hitler and should have your life destroyed." - the "tolerant" left.

Having bounced around the political spectrum like a pinball, I still don't understand where all this weird nonsense is coming from. Why must everything be so inflated out of proportion that it floats far away from reality? This stuff is like "slippery-slope" turned up to 11!

The slippery slope has been proven to be true in regards to LGBT stuff in the west tbh. Conservatives were right that it wouldn't stop with gay marriage, and I think that's played a large part in pushback against trans people.

[Kannap]

Do you honestly not see how your opinions negatively affect LGBT people?

I'm against gay marriage not against gay people

"I'm not against gay people, I'm just against them having the same rights as me"

[Daarwyrth]

"Accept drag queen story time and half naked men with cock lollipops parading infront of your children or you're literally Hitler and should have your life destroyed." - the "tolerant" left.

Having bounced around the political spectrum like a pinball, I still don't understand where all this weird nonsense is coming from. Why must everything be so inflated out of proportion that it floats far away from reality? This stuff is like "slippery-slope" turned up to 11!

It's the way the "friendly" right operates, demonize what you hate with harmful stereotypes. That way they create a false justification for themselves to hate on something that logically has no reason to be hated on. It's a form a willful ignorance in favour of bigotry and hatred. But when they get called out on it, they immediately scream and shout how their free speech is being treated upon when they literally want to take away the rights of the people they dislike and hate.

[Azabimidjan]

There is a delicate balance of maintaining freedom of religion and respect for people´s sexual orientations.

Either you have respect for people's sexual orientations or you don't. If you do not have respect for someone's sexual orientation you're homophobic. Religious freedom is not a viable wall to hide bigotry and hatred behind. If a religion is disrespectful towards people's sexual orientations, it deserves to be called homophobic.

And you may consider the Bible homophobic if you wish, but Christians may still consider homosexuality a sin. How we act upon this is what matters though.

[Daarwyrth]

Having bounced around the political spectrum like a pinball, I still don't understand where all this weird nonsense is coming from. Why must everything be so inflated out of proportion that it floats far away from reality? This stuff is like "slippery-slope" turned up to 11!

The slippery slope has been proven to be true in regards to LGBT stuff in the west tbh. Conservatives were right that it wouldn't stop with gay marriage, and I think that's played a large part in pushback against trans people.

How is "being treated fairly and equally" a slippery slope? Yeah, of course legalisation of homosexuality isn't going far enough. LGBTQ people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else and enjoy all the rights that other people have. It's not a slippery slope, it's simple human decency.

[Istoreya]

It goes like this:
Conservatives: You can have a little rights. As a treat.
LGBT: Okay... can we have the other rights, too, maybe pretty please?
Conservatives: WHERE WILL IT END? NEXT THEY'LL WANT US TO LEGALISE BEASTIALITY

[National Capitalist United States]

How is "being treated fairly and equally" a slippery slope? Yeah, of course legalisation of homosexuality isn't going far enough. LGBTQ people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else and enjoy all the rights that other people have. It's not a slippery slope, it's simple human decency.

LGBT people having rights is literally like 1984

[Insaanistan]

My opinion on gay people:
Gay people are people, creations of God like me. They aren’t mentally ill or whatever: their sexuality is a test from God just like mine is.
I don’t support gay marriage, but also believe that the law has no place to actually stop gay marriage, and could I vote, I would not support legislation against gay marriage.

You don’t have to choose between LGBTQA+ and religion: My bestie is bi and Catholic, and both she and I are queerish POCs.

[Zul-ar]

"Accept drag queen story time and half naked men with cock lollipops parading infront of your children or you're literally Hitler and should have your life destroyed." - the "tolerant" left.

"Accept public stoning, burning animals alive in front of kids, and incest."- the "loving" Christians
clearly this response is meant to be as ridiculous as Goatmoon's, and does not actually represent my views on Christianity or its followers

[Daarwyrth]

Either you have respect for people's sexual orientations or you don't. If you do not have respect for someone's sexual orientation you're homophobic. Religious freedom is not a viable wall to hide bigotry and hatred behind. If a religion is disrespectful towards people's sexual orientations, it deserves to be called homophobic.

And you may consider the Bible homophobic if you wish, but Christians may still consider homosexuality a sin. How we act upon this is what matters though.

Then the Bible can be considered as morally problematic if it is homophobic. If it conveys homophobic messages, it may well indeed move people to commit crimes and reprehensible acts against gay people. Because the fact that Christians can consider homosexuals as "sinful" is the problem here, because "sinful" means "morally reprehensible". It creates a lack of equality, wherein gay people are inherently presented as something lesser, as something that is abominable. That is the very thing that is so problematic and horrible about the religious doctrine against homosexuality. It is why hatred and bigotry still occurs in this world today, because there are books like the Bible that say it's okay to treat them like that when it is not, it absolutely is not.

[Zul-ar]

And you may consider the Bible homophobic if you wish, but Christians may still consider homosexuality a sin. How we act upon this is what matters though.

Then the Bible can be considered as morally problematic if it is homophobic. If it conveys homophobic messages, it may well indeed move people to commit crimes and reprehensible acts against gay people. Because the fact that Christians can consider homosexuals as "sinful" is the problem here, because "sinful" means "morally reprehensible". It creates a lack of equality, wherein gay people are inherently presented as something lesser, as something that is abominable. That is the very thing that is so problematic and horrible about the religious doctrine against homosexuality. It is why hatred and bigotry still occurs in this world today, because there are books like the Bible that say it's okay to treat them like that when it is not, it absolutely is not.

you're not suggesting banning the bible, are you..?

[Kannap]

Either you have respect for people's sexual orientations or you don't. If you do not have respect for someone's sexual orientation you're homophobic. Religious freedom is not a viable wall to hide bigotry and hatred behind. If a religion is disrespectful towards people's sexual orientations, it deserves to be called homophobic.

And you may consider the Bible homophobic if you wish, but Christians may still consider homosexuality a sin. How we act upon this is what matters though.

The Bible isn't homophobic, Christians who use the text as a weapon to hate LGBT people are.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: still no.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The slippery slope has been proven to be true in regards to LGBT stuff in the west tbh. Conservatives were right that it wouldn't stop with gay marriage, and I think that's played a large part in pushback against trans people.

How is "being treated fairly and equally" a slippery slope? Yeah, of course legalisation of homosexuality isn't going far enough. LGBTQ people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else and enjoy all the rights that other people have. It's not a slippery slope, it's simple human decency.

Because for a large amount of people the only issue at play back then was gay marriage. Which would explain why trans people still don't have the same sort of broad across the board support or indifference that gay people do, and why support for the movement in general has declined in the US in recent years.

[Kannap]

How is "being treated fairly and equally" a slippery slope? Yeah, of course legalisation of homosexuality isn't going far enough. LGBTQ people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else and enjoy all the rights that other people have. It's not a slippery slope, it's simple human decency.

Because for a large amount of people the only issue at play back then was gay marriage. Which would explain why trans people still don't have the same sort of broad across the board support or indifference that gay people do, and why support for the movement in general has declined in the US in recent years.

Why should gay people not have the same rights as straight people?

[National Capitalist United States]

How is "being treated fairly and equally" a slippery slope? Yeah, of course legalisation of homosexuality isn't going far enough. LGBTQ people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else and enjoy all the rights that other people have. It's not a slippery slope, it's simple human decency.

Because for a large amount of people the only issue at play back then was gay marriage. Which would explain why trans people still don't have the same sort of broad across the board support or indifference that gay people do, and why support for the movement in general has declined in the US in recent years.

I'd say the decrease in support is more because of white 14 year old girls on twitter being dumb and woke rather than "too many issues at play"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because for a large amount of people the only issue at play back then was gay marriage. Which would explain why trans people still don't have the same sort of broad across the board support or indifference that gay people do, and why support for the movement in general has declined in the US in recent years.

Why should gay people not have the same rights as straight people?

They should, and you know I think that. I'm just explaining that more often than not, especially in terms of politics, that the slippery slope isn't some absurd fallacy, it's just literally how policy works. You get one win and then try to expand on it.

[Daarwyrth]

Then the Bible can be considered as morally problematic if it is homophobic. If it conveys homophobic messages, it may well indeed move people to commit crimes and reprehensible acts against gay people. Because the fact that Christians can consider homosexuals as "sinful" is the problem here, because "sinful" means "morally reprehensible". It creates a lack of equality, wherein gay people are inherently presented as something lesser, as something that is abominable. That is the very thing that is so problematic and horrible about the religious doctrine against homosexuality. It is why hatred and bigotry still occurs in this world today, because there are books like the Bible that say it's okay to treat them like that when it is not, it absolutely is not.

you're not suggesting banning the bible, are you..?

It needs to be examined whether the Bible still fits the society we envision and work towards today. If we indeed want to create a fair and equal society wherein everyone is treated with respect and dignity, then we may well indeed need to critically examine texts like the Bible and what worth we attribute to it. Do I say ban it? No, because Greek myths also contain many problematic messages, and yet we can use them to study humanity's development to a better way of living in a society and civilization. But to me the Bible is indeed on the level of Greek mythology: a way to explain natural phenomenons before we had science to do so instead.

[Wallenburg]

Why should gay people not have the same rights as straight people?

They should, and you know I think that. I'm just explaining that more often than not, especially in terms of politics, that the slippery slope isn't some absurd fallacy, it's just literally how policy works. You get one win and then try to expand on it.

So what you're saying is that if we do the right thing this time, we might have to do the right thing again in the future? Egads.

[Daarwyrth]

Why should gay people not have the same rights as straight people?

They should, and you know I think that. I'm just explaining that more often than not, especially in terms of politics, that the slippery slope isn't some absurd fallacy, it's just literally how policy works. You get one win and then try to expand on it.

That's generally how it works in the fight for equality and justice. You win one battle, with blood and tears, and then you move to the next battle because people seem to inherently like to oppress other people for no valid reason.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They should, and you know I think that. I'm just explaining that more often than not, especially in terms of politics, that the slippery slope isn't some absurd fallacy, it's just literally how policy works. You get one win and then try to expand on it.

So what you're saying is that if we do the right thing this time, we might have to do the right thing again in the future? Egads.

Yes, and you shouldn't be shocked if people start pushing back on it with greater and greater force. Which has already happened even, hence the uptick in the % of people self reporting themselves as being uncomfortable or against the LGBT movement in surveys over the past couple years.

[Kannap]

Why should gay people not have the same rights as straight people?

They should, and you know I think that. I'm just explaining that more often than not, especially in terms of politics, that the slippery slope isn't some absurd fallacy, it's just literally how policy works. You get one win and then try to expand on it.

Except the slippery slope isn't really sensible things like "if we let them marry they'll want hospital visitation rights for their spouses!" but usually things that make people scared like, "If we let the gays marry, then next we'll have to let people marry their dogs, or legalize pedophilia!"

The LGBT rights movement, like any civil rights movement, is complex and has - typically - the goal of equality across the board. Same sex marriage became the forefront at the exact moment it became the most likely to win.

[Wallenburg]

So what you're saying is that if we do the right thing this time, we might have to do the right thing again in the future? Egads.

Yes, and you shouldn't be shocked if people start pushing back on it with greater and greater force. Which has already happened even, hence the uptick in the % of people self reporting themselves as being uncomfortable or against the LGBT movement in surveys over the past couple years.

If that's true, and I don't think it is from the data I've seen, then perhaps the explanation isn't that gay people are bad for wanting equal rights but rather that we've had fascists in power in half the world's major powers for the last few years.

[Daarwyrth]

Yes, and you shouldn't be shocked if people start pushing back on it with greater and greater force. Which has already happened even, hence the uptick in the % of people self reporting themselves as being uncomfortable or against the LGBT movement in surveys over the past couple years.

If that's true, and I don't think it is from the data I've seen, then perhaps the explanation isn't that gay people are bad for wanting equal rights but rather that we've had fascists in power in half the world's major powers for the last few years.

Plus the fact that fascists are getting too much screen time under the guise of "freedom of expression". Hateful ideologies need to be stopped before they can spread, in my opinion, and the world has been far too lenient regarding that.