by RoboScorpions » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:07 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:12 pm
by RoboScorpions » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:17 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Men owe zero child support to a rapist, just like how a woman doesn't owe it to a rapist to birth their child.
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:30 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Men owe zero child support to a rapist, just like how a woman doesn't owe it to a rapist to birth their child.
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:31 pm
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:34 pm
by Kowani » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:35 pm
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:35 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Fedel wrote:
Why would they? If a man raped a woman, impregnated her and then died committing a crime, should the woman have her pay docked into perpetuity to raise her rapist's child?
Lmao.
The question doesn't even make sense in the context of the thread. Even assuming she carries the child to term, why would her pay be docked?
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:36 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:The question doesn't even make sense in the context of the thread. Even assuming she carries the child to term, why would her pay be docked?
You just said that a man in the exact same situation might be obligated to pay child support to their rapist's child. Do you not believe this is the case for women?
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:41 pm
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:You don't pay child support to a child that's in your custody.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. The post you responded to asserts that victims or rape do not owe their rapist or their rapist's child anything. You asserted that they might owe their rapist's child something with no other context such as the child being in that person's "custody." Have I missed something?
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:46 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Fedel wrote:
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. The post you responded to asserts that victims or rape do not owe their rapist or their rapist's child anything. You asserted that they might owe their rapist's child something with no other context such as the child being in that person's "custody." Have I missed something?
Who would the woman be paying child support to? Who else would have custody of her child? You said the father's dead, either she has sole custody, or gave it up for adoption, so she doesn't have to pay child support, it's a pretty simple concept
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:48 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Who would the woman be paying child support to? Who else would have custody of her child? You said the father's dead, either she has sole custody, or gave it up for adoption, so she doesn't have to pay child support, it's a pretty simple concept
Just to clarify, you're asserting that this post:Punished UMN wrote:Even so, they may owe it to their child.
Was in reference to a raped male taking their rapist's child into their custody and deciding to raise them and in THOSE circumstances he'd owe something and not necessarily in others? If that is what you meant, I'll just say that your original statement in no way makes it clear that that's your position and I'll ask again if you think that's a standard that women should be held to as well ( the answer to this should be obvious, but then, it's a sign of the times that stuff like this needs to be clarified ).
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by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:53 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Fedel wrote:
Just to clarify, you're asserting that this post:
Was in reference to a raped male taking their rapist's child into their custody and deciding to raise them and in THOSE circumstances he'd owe something and not necessarily in others? If that is what you meant, I'll just say that your original statement in no way makes it clear that that's your position and I'll ask again if you think that's a standard that women should be held to as well ( the answer to this should be obvious, but then, it's a sign of the times that stuff like this needs to be clarified ).
The standard doesn't apply to women because they automatically have custody of their children, there's no one they would be able to pay child support to. I don't know what part of this you're having trouble with.
by RoboScorpions » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:53 pm
by The Marlborough » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:54 pm
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:The standard doesn't apply to women because they automatically have custody of their children, there's no one they would be able to pay child support to. I don't know what part of this you're having trouble with.
I think we may be talking about very different things. Were you asserting an opinion on who you personally believe should be held responsible or a legal distinction?
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:58 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Fedel wrote:
I think we may be talking about very different things. Were you asserting an opinion on who you personally believe should be held responsible or a legal distinction?
I was asserting that people are generally responsible for the safety of their children. I don't think you understand what is meant by child support. A woman who is raped literally cannot pay child support, because she would have custody of the child. She would be the recipient of child support payments.
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:00 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:I was asserting that people are generally responsible for the safety of their children. I don't think you understand what is meant by child support. A woman who is raped literally cannot pay child support, because she would have custody of the child. She would be the recipient of child support payments.
Ah, so your post was pre-assuming the male rape victim had assumed custody. Gotcha.
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Fedel wrote:
Ah, so your post was pre-assuming the male rape victim had assumed custody. Gotcha.
No, a male rape victim who has custody wouldn't pay child support, he would be the recipient of child support.
Child support is payment made by a parent without (or with less) custody to a parent who has (or has more) custody to cover childcare expenses. People who have sole custody do not pay child support.
by Punished UMN » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
Fedel wrote:Punished UMN wrote:No, a male rape victim who has custody wouldn't pay child support, he would be the recipient of child support.
Child support is payment made by a parent without (or with less) custody to a parent who has (or has more) custody to cover childcare expenses. People who have sole custody do not pay child support.
Honestly, you seem to be acting purposefully obtuse here. Can you, and assuming you can, will you elaborate on what you intended to get across with this post:
by Fedel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:08 pm
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