The Problem With “Moderates”

[National Capitalist United States]

Nah, your crack was manufactured. 9/11 was not

“National Capitalist United States”

My nation doesn't represent my actual views dumbass

[Mannixa Prime]

“National Capitalist United States”

My nation doesn't represent my actual views dumbass

Oh your flaming now! Wonderful!

[Sundiata]

Moderates have issues, but I don’t think it was ever the moderates line up political prisoners against a wall, or marching ethnic minorities into ditches, or bearing swords and words of hatred that lead to the slaughter of others.

There is a time and a place for extremism, but that will can easily be knocked off the track and result in the same pain and suffer that it sought to prevent.

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Historically speaking, it's the communists who ensure that people starve. I'm talking about investing capital in people.

[Adamede]

Moderates have issues, but I don’t think it was ever the moderates line up political prisoners against a wall, or marching ethnic minorities into ditches, or bearing swords and words of hatred that lead to the slaughter of others.

There is a time and a place for extremism, but that will can easily be knocked off the track and result in the same pain and suffer that it sought to prevent.

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

I suggest you re-read what I wrote.

[Mannixa Prime]

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Historically speaking, it's the communists who ensure that people starve. I'm talking about investing capital in people.

Yeah all those communist nations in history right

Good lord

[Alcala-Cordel]

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Historically speaking, it's the communists who ensure that people starve. I'm talking about investing capital in people.

ugh not this again

[National Capitalist United States]

My nation doesn't represent my actual views dumbass

Oh your flaming now! Wonderful!

When arguing with someone that wears a tinfoil hat, it really doesn't matter

[United Chinese Communes]

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Historically speaking, it's the communists who ensure that people starve. I'm talking about investing capital in people.

I would recommend that you reflect on the history of present and historical capitalist regimes and reconsider this statement.

[The Marlborough]

Some crops were profitable.

Profits were maximized with use of slaves.

Africans made great slaves (Whites didn't like being slaves and Amerindians were dying off).

Driving a wedge between poor Whites and enslaved Blacks was beneficial for the wealthy.

And then, inertia.

This is probably simplified to an absurdity.

Slaves cost more than workers. It's not profitable to own slaves nor is it moral.

That's actually not true in regards to profitability. Historically it was very lucrative and profitable, often being used to depress wages for free workers to boot (notoriously this was done in the late Roman Republic and helped cause its fall). The large plantations actually had pretty good productivity which shouldn't be surprising as the sheer scale they were working at allowed for greater output. The idea that small yeoman farms are the most economically efficient isn't actually true.

[Sundiata]

Historically speaking, it's the communists who ensure that people starve. I'm talking about investing capital in people.

Yeah all those communist nations in history right

Good lord

Communist parties and their policies have indeed starved people.

[Adamede]

Moderates have issues, but I don’t think it was ever the moderates line up political prisoners against a wall, or marching ethnic minorities into ditches, or bearing swords and words of hatred that lead to the slaughter of others.

There is a time and a place for extremism, but that will can easily be knocked off the track and result in the same pain and suffer that it sought to prevent.

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

[Atheris]

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

In fact, the deadliest famine in history (which killed 15,000,000–55,000,000 people) took place under Mao!

[Sundiata]

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

In fact, the deadliest famine in history (which killed 15,000,000–55,000,000 people) took place under Mao!

Stalin's communist party killed farmers, the people who knew how to make food.

[Atheris]

In fact, the deadliest famine in history (which killed 15,000,000–55,000,000 people) took place under Mao!

Stalin's communist party killed farmers, the people who knew how to make food.

That too! Not to completely excuse capitalism and "moderate" regimes, though.

[Neanderthaland]

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

I mean, there is a sense in which OP is right. And that is a VERY LIMITED sense: That sometimes extreme action is warranted to deal with a looming problem. And that status quo politics has a hard time dealing with these kind of big reforms.

But then, this is more of a human nature thing generally. We all know that our unhealthy habits are going to kill us one day. We know we should sign up for a gym membership, put down the soda, fix ourselves a healthy dinner, and cut it out with the smokes/alcohol/Cheez-its/whatever. And we should probably all start doing these things right now, today, without any further delay.

But none of us are going to, are we?

[Adamede]

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

I mean, there is a sense in which OP is right. And that is a VERY LIMITED sense: That sometimes extreme action is warranted to deal with a looming problem. And that status quo politics has a hard time dealing with these kind of big reforms.

But then, this is more of a human nature thing generally. We all know that our unhealthy habits are going to kill us one day. We know we should sign up for a gym membership, put down the soda, fix ourselves a healthy dinner, and cut it out with the smokes/alcohol/Cheez-its/whatever. And we should probably all start doing these things right now, today, without any further delay.

But none of us are going to, are we?

If only people actually read my original comment...

[Neanderthaland]

I mean, there is a sense in which OP is right. And that is a VERY LIMITED sense: That sometimes extreme action is warranted to deal with a looming problem. And that status quo politics has a hard time dealing with these kind of big reforms.

But then, this is more of a human nature thing generally. We all know that our unhealthy habits are going to kill us one day. We know we should sign up for a gym membership, put down the soda, fix ourselves a healthy dinner, and cut it out with the smokes/alcohol/Cheez-its/whatever. And we should probably all start doing these things right now, today, without any further delay.

But none of us are going to, are we?

If only people actually read my originally comment...

I was agreeing with you

[Sundiata]

Stalin's communist party killed farmers, the people who knew how to make food.

That too! Not to completely excuse capitalism and "moderate" regimes, though.

In your book, what's the problem with capitalism?

[Atheris]

That too! Not to completely excuse capitalism and "moderate" regimes, though.

In your book, what's the problem with capitalism?

Nothing necessarily. I'm not a socialist, I'm a social democrat and a capitalist, but to say it's completely innocent is to whitewash its history. Capitalism led to slavery and famines in India and Africa and unchecked capitalism can lead to nothing short of corporatocratic totalitarianism.

[Adamede]

If only people actually read my originally comment...

I was agreeing with you

Yah thing is that’s a point I already covered in my other comment to the OP.

Sorry for being standoffish.

[Xmara]

Walking into this thread like

No your right, the only bad thing moderates are doing is destroying the environment and ensuring people starve

God these type of posts just kill me

Also environmental degradation is just an aspect of any human civilization. Doesn’t what institutions or ideologies run it.

People have been starving by forever under every regime imaginable.

Moderates aren’t any more guilty of it than any form of extremist is.

Yeah I have to agree with this one. All ideologies can be connected to some sort of horrific event. So please, let’s just calm down.

[Atheris]

Walking into this thread like

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[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The OP could do with quite a bit more nuance, but "moderates" are cringe.

It's definitely true that the status quo is unsustainable, and by supporting it "moderates" have blood on their hands and are killing the planet.

We can change the world without being radical or divisive, we can do it by bringing people together.

Why do you assume that radicalism and division go hand-in-hand? Why do you assume that radicalism and uniting people are mutually exclusive?

They aren't. We need to stop this nonsensical belief that we must be willing to compromise with our enemies no matter what the issue is. Some issues are not worthy of compromise. Healthcare, police reform, climate change, wage labor, etc. are not issues where there should be "compromise".

"Radical" is not a slur, it is not derogatory, and it should not be a means by which those who want to oppose progress can silence their opposition. Radicals get shit done; moderates don't.

[Adamede]

Walking into this thread like

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Ah shit I made it into a meme. This truly the high point of my life now.

[The Marlborough]

Moderates are largely responsible for advancing civil rights in the mid-20th century US whereas radicals were largely responsible for poisoning the progress that had been made. The radical side to the Civil Rights movement was black separatism and nationalism.