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The Problem With “Moderates”

Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:34 pm

Environmental degradation and wealth inequality in my opinion are the most pressing issues facing the human race. Not just a particular group or anything but all of humanity.

Now you have people who don’t believe in climate change and you have those who deny or are comfortable with wealth inequality. I realize that those people are in power all over the world but the public, the body of citizens especially in the West do not agree with this. They want change and understand the fact that we have destroyed this planet. They understand the wealthy work against us every day.

Numerous polling and just general populist attitudes everywhere prove that the people want changes on the two issues I mentioned at the start. So why given the vast support for confronting these issues does nothing ever change? If the people are becoming more progressive why is the world getting worse?

Does the general forum of Nationstates have an answer to this? Any opinions?



My opinion is quite simple. I view the Joe Biden’s, the Macron’s, and the Trudeau’s of the world and their voters responsible for failing to act on the most important issue. Mushy moderates who drape their imperialism and capitalism with a rainbow flag. Look at AOC and the squad for example. How is being part of the party that is comfortable droning brown people in the Middle East considered progressive?

The neoliberal capitalist elite realize that social conservatism and religion is dying out. Especially among Generation Z. They are aware we are becoming more “woke” on race and LGBT issues, as we should be.

And that’s the trap. I’ve come to realize that most people despite agreeing with me on wealth inequality and the environment they don’t think those are the most pressing issues. No, the spectre of racism and mean words on twitter is the main focus apparently.

We can fix our environment through technology and as a last resort developing our space program to get off this doomed rock. We can punish and lock away those who hoard the wealth. We can change economic and political systems.

What we can’t do is social engineer racism away. Prejudice will always be part of human nature. Given the sun will envelop our planet in five billion years I don’t think we have time to evolve on that. I could be wrong but that’s not what is killing us. You can ban people you can suppress them even kill and imprison them. Tribalism is part of human nature.

White supremacy, National Socialism, and Fascism have zero institutional support. There are no large organizations of relevance, no corporations or governments pushing these ideologies. Just because you grew up in a racist town and saw some transphobic things on twitter doesn’t mean you live in a “white power” state.

But many Americans will say what about us! The problems facing the most disadvantaged come from white people?

I don’t agree with that at all. It’s rich people regardless of colour regardless of background screwing us to make a buck. Destroying the planet just to see their personal fortune rise. Some of those people might be racist but they are doing what they are doing not in the name of ethnic nationalism or white power, it’s about green power.

Money is what drives our elite not racial supremacy. It’s easy to beat up your local Nazi and think your fighting the state.

But your not! Your better off doing that to a CEO of a multinational corporation because that person not your local racist is the one who is the source of our ills.

It might feel good to live your fake Allied powers anti fa fantasy but in the end you accomplish nothing.

Democracy now exists to give woke corporations the keys to power.

Just because you happen to support trans rights and BLM that doesn’t mean you are suddenly a progressive. Your just either picking the safest issues or using them to advance an agenda that is driving us to extinction.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:39 pm

Come on man, things can generally be okay for most people.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:39 pm

I used to think the center was the "safe middle ground," but the last few years (especially 2020) convinced me that radical action is needed to save our society and our future. When you have millions of people saying "We need regulations on business to curb emissions" and business's response is "no," taking a "compromise" approach isn't gonna work and isn't very smart. We need change, not just kind words.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:40 pm

This is very stupid
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:41 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I used to think the center was the "safe middle ground," but the last few years (especially 2020) convinced me that radical action is needed to save our society and our future. When you have millions of people saying "We need regulations on business to curb emissions" and business's response is "no," taking a "compromise" approach isn't gonna work and isn't very smart. We need change, not just kind words.

We need better business, not just regulations, not no business.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:42 pm

Kowani wrote:This is very stupid

As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Kowani wrote:This is very stupid

As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell


Kowani isn't a fan of neoliberals. He's a socialist, he literally despises people like that.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I used to think the center was the "safe middle ground," but the last few years (especially 2020) convinced me that radical action is needed to save our society and our future. When you have millions of people saying "We need regulations on business to curb emissions" and business's response is "no," taking a "compromise" approach isn't gonna work and isn't very smart. We need change, not just kind words.

The problem is most people don’t agree and we are out of time to convince them.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell


Kowani isn't a fan of neoliberals. He's a socialist, he literally despises people like that.

Yeah I’ve heard that one a thousand times
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:45 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Kowani wrote:This is very stupid

As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell

That is…not what I said
Neoliberals are, in fact, trash
It just happens that your screed doesn’t understand in the slightest American politics or coalition in the slightest, much less the heavily racialized way inequality exists in the public conscience
I’ll try t explain in more when I get to a computer
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:46 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Kowani wrote:This is very stupid

As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell

Really?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:46 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Kowani isn't a fan of neoliberals. He's a socialist, he literally despises people like that.

Yeah I’ve heard that one a thousand times


He literally is though. I talk to him everyday dude, he isn't a fan of any of the leaders you mentioned or the system as it stands at all.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:48 pm

Kowani wrote:Neoliberals are, in fact, trash

That's an extreme thing to say.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:48 pm

I keep on hearing the modern left hates Biden and Trudeau types yet they keep voting for them.

Everyone love the environment but most people think the more prominent corporations are cuddly cute animals because they threw up a rainbow flag.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:49 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:Neoliberals are, in fact, trash

That's an extreme thing to say.

It’s accurate
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:As stupid as trusting woke neo liberals to save us?

Do tell do tell

That is…not what I said
Neoliberals are, in fact, trash
It just happens that your screed doesn’t understand in the slightest American politics or coalition in the slightest, much less the heavily racialized way inequality exists in the public conscience
I’ll try t explain in more when I get to a computer

Oh I can’t wait to read a novel on how White are the ones who killed our planet and allowed a certain few to hoard the wealth.

Thank you proving my point lol.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:51 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:Neoliberals are, in fact, trash

That's an extreme thing to say.

Mate, neoliberalism at best a naïve agency of the extremely unsustainable and disastrous status quo-and that’s being generous
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:52 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:I keep on hearing the modern left hates Biden and Trudeau types yet they keep voting for them.

Everyone love the environment but most people think the more prominent corporations are cuddly cute animals because they threw up a rainbow flag.

No, it's not as complicated as being comfortable with the status quo.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:54 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Kowani wrote:That is…not what I said
Neoliberals are, in fact, trash
It just happens that your screed doesn’t understand in the slightest American politics or coalition in the slightest, much less the heavily racialized way inequality exists in the public conscience
I’ll try t explain in more when I get to a computer

Oh I can’t wait to read a novel on how White are the ones who killed our planet and allowed a certain few to hoard the wealth.

Thank you proving my point lol.

Um…no, the problem there is capitalism
It intertwines with whiteness by what is essentially historical accident, but that’s just because the countries that most benefited from capitalism as a system tend to be white
Fuckit, gimme a bit, this is actually complex
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:56 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sundiata wrote:That's an extreme thing to say.

Mate, neoliberalism at best a naïve agency of the extremely unsustainable and disastrous status quo-and that’s being generous

I get it man, you want change now but we don't have the power to change the world immediately and that's okay.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:56 pm

The OP could do with quite a bit more nuance, but "moderates" are cringe.

It's definitely true that the status quo is unsustainable, and by supporting it "moderates" have blood on their hands and are killing the planet. It's also really obnoxious how they try to co-opt historical figures who wouldn't like them (like MLK) into their ideology. The driving figures behind change have always been renegades.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:Mate, neoliberalism at best a naïve agency of the extremely unsustainable and disastrous status quo-and that’s being generous

I get it man, you want change now but we don't have the power to change the world immediately and that's okay.

We do have the power and nothing about this is okay
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:00 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:The OP could do with quite a bit more nuance, but "moderates" are cringe.

It's definitely true that the status quo is unsustainable, and by supporting it "moderates" have blood on their hands and are killing the planet.

We can change the world without being radical or divisive, we can do it by bringing people together.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:01 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:The OP could do with quite a bit more nuance, but "moderates" are cringe.

It's definitely true that the status quo is unsustainable, and by supporting it "moderates" have blood on their hands and are killing the planet.

We can change the world without being radical or divisive, we can do it by bringing people together.

That's not mutually exclusive. Oh, and lemme guess: we come together by assimilating into your religion.
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Postby Zul-ar » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:02 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:I keep on hearing the modern left hates Biden and Trudeau types yet they keep voting for them.

Everyone love the environment but most people think the more prominent corporations are cuddly cute animals because they threw up a rainbow flag.

It was Biden or Trump. Choosing the least of two evils is damage control, and in today's world damage control is necessary.
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