What has Israel ever done for us?

[Stellar Colonies]

^

Except this isn't true at all.

The US doesn't have to account for Israel except in very particular situations when dealing with Muslim nations because we've effectively managed to cultivate both as allies irrespective of the other.

Ah, I was reposting the OP to try and get things back on topic. Should've clarified that.

[The Horror Channel]

This is what they call 'racial discrimination'.

Nekostan is giving me serious Jewish Nazi vibes.

So it's not just me, then.

[The Horror Channel]

I guess practicing apartheid and actively carrying out ethnic cleansing is fine as long as the right people are doing it.

The entire world will be better off when Israel is abolished

[Fahran]

Nekostan is giving me serious Jewish Nazi vibes.

So it's not just me, then.

And you parrot Nazi talking points so I'm not really certain anyone wants you on the "don't support the Lehi" bandwagon.

[Fahran]

I guess practicing apartheid and actively carrying out ethnic cleansing is fine as long as the right people are doing it.

The entire world will be better off when Israel is abolished

Do you believe we should abolish every state that engages in apartheid or ethnic cleansing?

[Atheris]

The Empire of Japan beat and starved my great grandfather as a prisoner of war during WW II.


I don't know why anyone could support such an empire of evil.

If you are East Asian or Southeast Asian of any kind and can travel around the world without getting segregated or treated like absolute shit it is because of the Empire of Japan which through its defeat of Russian Empire and conquest of Southeast Asia convinced Europeans that East Asians are in fact humans instead of monkeys and hence have to be accommodated. This is not on topic though.

Most people really don’t think from a consequentialist point of view. Stuff such as British Empire and Empire of Japan served very important purposes. The bad aspects of their legacies doesn’t outlast the good aspects. The State of Israel serves very important purposes today.

The Japanese Empire considered the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians, and especially Koreans to be racially inferior. This is bullshit.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I guess practicing apartheid and actively carrying out ethnic cleansing is fine as long as the right people are doing it.

The entire world will be better off when Israel is abolished

Do you believe we should abolish every state that engages in apartheid or ethnic cleansing?

Can't speak for THC but I do

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

If you are East Asian or Southeast Asian of any kind and can travel around the world without getting segregated or treated like absolute shit it is because of the Empire of Japan which through its defeat of Russian Empire and conquest of Southeast Asia convinced Europeans that East Asians are in fact humans instead of monkeys and hence have to be accommodated. This is not on topic though.

Most people really don’t think from a consequentialist point of view. Stuff such as British Empire and Empire of Japan served very important purposes. The bad aspects of their legacies doesn’t outlast the good aspects. The State of Israel serves very important purposes today.

The Japanese Empire considered the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians, and especially Koreans to be racially inferior. This is bullshit.

That doesn’t change the fact that it does matter internationally.

[Fahran]

Can't speak for THC but I do

You also believe in abolishing most states so you're at least consistent.

[Kowani]

Do you believe we should abolish every state that engages in apartheid or ethnic cleansing?

Can't speak for THC but I do

it's like a time machine
..or not, since i'm kinda on board with cordel

[Fahran]

it's like a time machine
..or not, since i'm kinda on board with cordel

Eh, I disagree, but I can respect the consistency.

[Kowani]

it's like a time machine
..or not, since i'm kinda on board with cordel

Eh, I disagree, but I can respect the consistency.

ugh
i should've known you'd disagree with my ideas
that said, it's not exactly a priority
as the world stands, the muscle of state machinery and the administrative apparatus still has a purpose and necessity

[Fahran]

ugh
i should've known you'd disagree with my ideas
that said, it's not exactly a priority
as the world stands, the muscle of state machinery and the administrative apparatus still has a purpose and necessity

I was gonna say. I thought you were statist gang gang.

[Kowani]

ugh
i should've known you'd disagree with my ideas
that said, it's not exactly a priority
as the world stands, the muscle of state machinery and the administrative apparatus still has a purpose and necessity

I was gonna say. I thought you were statist gang gang.

in an idealized world, perhaps i could count myself as a principled anti-statist
but where we are now, ahahhaa no
to redirect its energies from destruction to construction is a much more worthwhile endeavor
though it's good to see i'm not that predictable yet

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Good lord this thread is getting worse and worse

[Alcala-Cordel]

Can't speak for THC but I do

it's like a time machine
..or not, since i'm kinda on board with cordel

[Fahran]

Good lord this thread is getting worse and worse

Given the original premise and the OP's weird belief that Israel has caused all of America's recent wars, I'm not certain this thread was ever going to be good.

[Dowaesk]

That's like saying criticizing China invokes anti-Chinese tropes. There's a world of difference between "Israel should stop oppressing the Palestinians" and "alL jEwS sHouLd diE".

Criticism of China can invoke anti-Chinese tropes, yes.

I'm not saying all criticism of Israel invokes antisemitic tropes. But it happens, and we should acknowledge that.

Yes true. Sometimes people do insult Israel with anti-semitic means. I dont. Jews are as much human as any other person on Earth. They have rights. I dont oppose a Jewish State. I dont have a problem with Israel existing. But what i would like to see, is for them to stop this unfairness. Palestinians are humans too.

[Kowani]

it's like a time machine
..or not, since i'm kinda on board with cordel

the fact that we agree on a position is usually a sign that it is a bad idea

[Fahran]

the fact that we agree on a position is usually a sign that it is a bad idea

But, Ko, most of your ideas are bad. :^)

Ditto for Cordel.

[Fahran]

Yes true. Sometimes people do insult Israel with anti-semitic means. I dont. Jews are as much human as any other person on Earth. They have rights. I dont oppose a Jewish State. I dont have a problem with Israel existing. But what i would like to see, is for them to stop this unfairness. Palestinians are humans too.

I completely agree on this even as a Zionist. Without a sovereign nation-state, the actualization of human and political rights for Palestinians is next to impossible or, if possible, always subject to the whims of other states.

[Kowani]

the fact that we agree on a position is usually a sign that it is a bad idea

But, Ko, most of your ideas are bad. :^)

Ditto for Cordel.

only bad for the capitalist class
'Ran, why are you a class traitor, hmm?

[Fahran]

only bad for the capitalist class
'Ran, why are you a class traitor, hmm?

Who says I'm a class traitor?

[Kowani]

only bad for the capitalist class
'Ran, why are you a class traitor, hmm?

Who says I'm a class traitor?

...i think i need more information to answer that one

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Good lord this thread is getting worse and worse

Given the original premise and the OP's weird belief that Israel has caused all of America's recent wars, I'm not certain this thread was ever going to be good.

The OP is fine its just more of a shitstorm is happen