What has Israel ever done for us?

[Lord Plembington]

because jews are cute.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I just read your sig and I detect contradiction in your stance. Which is which?

The resolution made in my signature is ironic - it is supposed to be patently absurd.

Also, the US can very well not involve itself or contribute on Israel’s behalf. Too much protesting.

Yes. I think that we should desist from any further alliance or attachment with Israel, and from the maintenance of our hegemony in general. I find also that any government which truly had the long-term wellbeing of America as its first priority would, at a bare minimum, expect much more from Israel in exchange for all of the services we provide it.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, Israel’s first priority is itself and the US is itself? Because I find it hard to believe that the US prioritizes Israel’s well-being over its own. That’s not how your government works. The relationship it has with Israel is because they find it beneficial, for the US. America doesn’t really care about Israel, only if it can use it as a political tool.

They get plenty back already.

[East Blepia]

Isreal has alot of powerful friends in our country

That is true. I think one of the major issues with our foreign policy is that they are too powerful and too friendly to Israel.

and is a great customer for our weapons

Yes, but they tend to buy them on our dime.

Plus they provide us with a friendly space in a area that is usually rather anti American.

There are more countries in the Middle East in which we do have a military presence than those in which we do not. Also, the area would not be so anti-American if it were not for our support for Israel.

They do get us into trouble every now and then but were kinda to committed to this allince too back out now.

The only ally we would lose from abandoning Israel would be Israel. The European countries have a history of complaining about Israeli oppression of Palestinians. In exchange our Islamic terrorism problem would virtually disappear overnight. The Iranians have neither the means, nor would they have the will, to follow us into the Western Hemisphere. Al-Qaeda, Islamic State, etc. would no longer have a reason to attack us, other than the degeneracy which is prevalent in virtually every other developed country.

[East Blepia]

The resolution made in my signature is ironic - it is supposed to be patently absurd.



Yes. I think that we should desist from any further alliance or attachment with Israel, and from the maintenance of our hegemony in general. I find also that any government which truly had the long-term wellbeing of America as its first priority would, at a bare minimum, expect much more from Israel in exchange for all of the services we provide it.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, Israel’s first priority is itself and the US is itself? Because I find it hard to believe that the US prioritizes Israel’s well-being over its own. That’s not how your government works. The relationship it has with Israel is because they find it beneficial, for the US. America doesn’t really care about Israel, only if it can use it as a political tool.

They get plenty back already.

What have we gotten, besides this radar base?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The resolution made in my signature is ironic - it is supposed to be patently absurd.



Yes. I think that we should desist from any further alliance or attachment with Israel, and from the maintenance of our hegemony in general. I find also that any government which truly had the long-term wellbeing of America as its first priority would, at a bare minimum, expect much more from Israel in exchange for all of the services we provide it.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, Israel’s first priority is itself and the US is itself? Because I find it hard to believe that the US prioritizes Israel’s well-being over its own. That’s not how your government works. The relationship it has with Israel is because they find it beneficial, for the US. America doesn’t really care about Israel, only if it can use it as a political tool.

They get plenty back already.

It is 100% how our government works. There is a not-insignificant amount of our population that believes Israel's continued existence is a theologically vital requirement in the return of Christ and we have a large Jewish population that openly advocates for immense aid at all times to Israel and uses said populations resources to make that happen.

Hell, I'm pretty sure the only group both Clinton and Trump spoke to for example was the American Israeli Political Action Committee. We'd sooner let half the western half of the States burn to the ground than let anything bad happen to Israel.

[Insaanistan]

because jews are cute.

I’m genuinely not sure if this is anti-Semitic or not.

[Sundiata]

Israel to me is a safe haven.

[Hauva]

Israel to me is a safe haven.

Read John please.

[East Blepia]

It was prophesied in Islam that eventually Jewish people would reconquer the Holy Land. We also believe that eventually, good Muslims, Jews, Christians etc will fight on the side of the side of Jesus (pbuh) and the Mahdi against bad Muslims, Jews, Christians etc, and that much of it will take place in the Holy Land.

I think that this is a rather 'based' belief.

[East Blepia]

Israel to me is a safe haven.

What?

[Sundiata]

Israel to me is a safe haven.

What?

It has some of the oldest holy sites to Christianity and does not tolerate the evils of Nazism.

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

s. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

[Sundiata]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place.

They're a strong country.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place.

They're a strong country.

Tbh it's not so much that Israel is strong as it is that Arab countries are exceptionally awful at modern warfare due to a wide variety of factors. There's a couple military history papers on the topic that are worth reading.

[Insaanistan]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

“Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”
The IDF is a literal terrorist group.
Not saying Hamas isn’t either.

[Hauva]

Never believe the Philo-semites disguised as """Evangelicals""" these are scammer Israeli puppets and are not actually Christian.

[East Blepia]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

Iran is somewhat democratic. So are Lebanon and Cyprus. Bahrain and Qatar have elected legislatures. Also, Israel only behaves as a democracy ought to towards Jews.

[Hauva]

What?

It has some of the oldest holy sites to Christianity and does not tolerate the evils of Nazism.

The same could be said for Lebanon, Palestine, part of Jordan, Syria and Egypt then.

[Odreria]

Yes, but I would say that it goes beyond the religious right. I would consider myself a member of the religious right, albeit a rather abnormal one, and I am totally opposed to the existence of Israel. Most Christians believe that Jews were replaced as the 'chosen people' when the Old Covenant was superseded by the New Covenant. Therefore a large part of our seemingly free-of-charge assistance to Israel can be blamed on the influence of AIPAC and similar organizations. (See also the 'AIPAC napkin' - an AIPAC official remarked that he could have the signatures of 70 senators on a napkin in 24 hours. The influence of these organizations is immense.)

THere is a large group of the religious right who believe that the end times will come when the Jews all return to Israel, an thus support Israel.

I remember some guy telling me at the time that trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem was a prerequisite for the second coming.

[Punished UMN]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

Counterpoint: 1) Israeli hostility to Arabs (both Muslim and Christian) is a major driver of terrorism in the region (terrorism in the modern sense was very rare prior to the establishment of Israel and was actually largely limited to skirmishes between Zionist & Arab paramilitaries and the British Army in Palestine), 2) the State of Israel was actually established by international actors, including the United States, who provided weapons, capital, transport, and the legal basis for the establishment of Israel, and 3) Palestine is arguably the least safe place to have established a haven for the Jewish people, and the establishment of Israel increased hostility to Jews in the Middle East and around the world.

[East Blepia]

It is 100% how our government works. There is a not-insignificant amount of our population that believes Israel's continued existence is a theologically vital requirement in the return of Christ and we have a large Jewish population that openly advocates for immense aid at all times to Israel and uses said populations resources to make that happen.

Hell, I'm pretty sure the only group both Clinton and Trump spoke to for example was the American Israeli Political Action Committee. We'd sooner let half the western half of the States burn to the ground than let anything bad happen to Israel.

So the people in our government who support Israel are not truly behaving in America's interests, they are just pandering to get elected.

[Hauva]

THere is a large group of the religious right who believe that the end times will come when the Jews all return to Israel, an thus support Israel.

I remember some guy telling me at the time that trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem was a prerequisite for the second coming.

But they won't tell you that Isael's Christians are Palestinians, and that the New Testament testifies openly against Jews, and etc.

[East Blepia]

I remember some guy telling me at the time that trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem was a prerequisite for the second coming.

But they won't tell you that Isael's Christians are Palestinians.

Precisely. 'Christian' Zionism is mumbo-jumbo targeted at gullible Protestants with no theological guidance.

[Punished UMN]

They're a strong country.

Tbh it's not so much that Israel is strong as it is that Arab countries are exceptionally awful at modern warfare due to a wide variety of factors. There's a couple military history papers on the topic that are worth reading.

I think that's a bit of a simplistic take. Arabs did very well in the 1947-48 war against Israel (modern scholarship now generally accepts that the IDF enjoyed superiority in both numbers and equipment), and performed reasonably well in the Yom Kippur War (on the Egyptian front anyway) and in the 1982 War.

[Sundiata]

They're a strong country.

Tbh it's not so much that Israel is strong as it is that Arab countries are exceptionally awful at modern warfare due to a wide variety of factors. There's a couple military history papers on the topic that are worth reading.

I'd love to see Muhammad Bin Salman lose a lot of power. He butchered that poor man Mr. Khashoggi.