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What are your thoughts on agriculture?

Poll runs till Fri May 28, 2021 10:11 am

It is very important
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95%
It is of little use
2
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Other: anything else
6
4%
 
Total votes : 164

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:02 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Adamede wrote:Most farmers have all fo their assets tied up in land and equipment. Most don’t live like millionaires.

And subsidies is what makes food cheap.

I already said that, although we disagree on whether it is most or just some. All the farmers I have met were living very very comfortably. None had a supercar but they all had toys. Brand new pickups, horses, 4 wheelers, high end rifles, and tools the rest of us could only dream of having in a garage. Granted they work a lot but these days its common for everyone.

You have to remember that a farmer can write most of those "toys" off as legitimate business expenses.
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:09 pm

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Adamede wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:I already said that, although we disagree on whether it is most or just some. All the farmers I have met were living very very comfortably. None had a supercar but they all had toys. Brand new pickups, horses, 4 wheelers, high end rifles, and tools the rest of us could only dream of having in a garage. Granted they work a lot but these days its common for everyone.

And most I’ve met are a few bad harvests away from losing all of their shit.

And what you described sounds upper middle class life style, not that of a millionaire.

"being a few bad harvests away from losing all their shit" has literally been the universal human condition since the dawn of agriculture

and maybe if you were raised in a household that calls itself upper middle class but is actually closer to the millionaire end of things, it sounds like that? That's not a slam; it's pretty easy to just get into a bubble where you don't have actual hard numbers and make assumptions based off the euphemisms and evasion people use to conceal such things (happens to adults who spend lots of time in such circles too, not just kids who are raised in them)

anyways, anprim shit remains weird, and modern agriculture is very efficient and I like not starving (even though the result is that US farmers are more bourgeois than peasant at this point and we're deprived of a revolutionary class... but it's just an unqualified good that people don't have to live as subsistence farmers here anymore)
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Postby Comerciante » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:15 pm

I to live on a farm.

It sucks.

I wanna go back to living in an apartment building.

But me parents want to have a farm. They can't do it on their own so I gotta be a good boi and support them regardless of the fact that I am ready to jump off the nearest cliff.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:41 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Adamede wrote:And most I’ve met are a few bad harvests away from losing all of their shit.

And what you described sounds upper middle class life style, not that of a millionaire.

"being a few bad harvests away from losing all their shit" has literally been the universal human condition since the dawn of agriculture

Yah. And a farmer can lose everything, because most of their wealth isn’t going to be in cash.

and maybe if you were raised in a household that calls itself upper middle class but is actually closer to the millionaire end of things, it sounds like that? That's not a slam; it's pretty easy to just get into a bubble where you don't have actual hard numbers and make assumptions based off the euphemisms and evasion people use to conceal such things (happens to adults who spend lots of time in such circles too, not just kids who are raised in them)

Okay I don’t know where the fuck you come from, but my upbringing was nowhere near upper middle class. However you don’t need to be a millionaire in order to afford nice things, especially when they are otherwise needed tools for your occupation, like farming.

But please, do tell me more about my upbringing. You appear to know more about it than even I do.

anyways, anprim shit remains weird, and modern agriculture is very efficient and I like not starving (even though the result is that US farmers are more bourgeois than peasant at this point and we're deprived of a revolutionary class... but it's just an unqualified good that people don't have to live as subsistence farmers here anymore)

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Not all farmers are the same. But even then not even Marx expected the revolution to arise from the agricultural workers as much as he did the industrial ones.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:56 pm

Adamede wrote:
Senkaku wrote:"being a few bad harvests away from losing all their shit" has literally been the universal human condition since the dawn of agriculture

Yah. And a farmer can lose everything, because most of their wealth isn’t going to be in cash.

I don't know what you're expecting me to say in response to this but pretend I've said it in this sentence

and maybe if you were raised in a household that calls itself upper middle class but is actually closer to the millionaire end of things, it sounds like that? That's not a slam; it's pretty easy to just get into a bubble where you don't have actual hard numbers and make assumptions based off the euphemisms and evasion people use to conceal such things (happens to adults who spend lots of time in such circles too, not just kids who are raised in them)

Okay I don’t know where the fuck you come from, but my upbringing was nowhere near upper middle class. However you don’t need to be a millionaire in order to afford nice things, especially when they are otherwise needed tools for your occupation, like farming.

But please, do tell me more about my upbringing. You appear to know more about it than even I do.

...I didn't tell you anything about your upbringing? I mean you can re-read it as well as I can-- I was curious, so I asked you a question (and made some effort to do it gently, since I don't know you), because I wanted to know if you were an example of something I've seen before. You could've just not answered or said "I wasn't" without all the f-bombs and defensiveness.

anyways, anprim shit remains weird, and modern agriculture is very efficient and I like not starving (even though the result is that US farmers are more bourgeois than peasant at this point and we're deprived of a revolutionary class... but it's just an unqualified good that people don't have to live as subsistence farmers here anymore)

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Not all farmers are the same.

yes, I think I gathered that much at least
But even then not even Marx expected the revolution to arise from the agricultural workers as much as he did the industrial ones.

But Marx failed to consider that history would prove him wrong on the battlefield (in China, Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico, Ethiopia, etc.)! :p I think history's pretty thoroughly vindicated Mao on that one, as much as I hate to give the Maoists credit for anything. Obviously it's not the only way it can happen and things tend to work better when they both get together, but the problem here is not that I've literally never read Marx and lack an extremely basic grasp of the terminology.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:12 pm

I mean like, it feeds the world and all, so obviously very important. I also have a small hydroponic and catfish farm, and it does sustain us with a continuous supply of produce during harvest times.

Though funnily enough, farming catfish is also meme-fied for being an alternative career choice of those who failed college entrance exams. So considering my dad built the hydro farm a year before my college exams... maybe it's more than just his new-found hobby. (Thankfully it stays as a hobby, though).

Agriculture in general though, I'm not sure. Around 40% of those who lives in or below the poverty line in my country are farmers, more specifically farm laborers, who work on large plantations owned by oligarchs.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:39 pm

My hope one day is to have enough money to leave society and go subsistence farm on my own off in the middle of nowhere. I dont think it would be easy but I'm tired of dealing with bullshit, so farming sounds kinda cool.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:31 pm

Farms are great, I have plenty out where I live, to be honest I find it funny how naive some people are about how important growing food actually is, it feels like some people think food just teleports into the supermarket.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I practice small scale agriculture at home and am probably going to expand this year so naturally I have a favorable opinion.

What do you grow?


Neutraligon wrote:What do people think of rooftop farms/vertical farming/hydroponic farms and the like for use in cities?

Useful and good, really it's good for people to grow things, even if it's just a tiny pot on their cramped apartment balcony.


Borderlands of Rojava wrote:My hope one day is to have enough money to leave society and go subsistence farm on my own off in the middle of nowhere. I dont think it would be easy but I'm tired of dealing with bullshit, so farming sounds kinda cool.

Farming is cool but hard and it's very hard to reach full self subsistence unless you go vegan or have enough land for all you want.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:59 am

Hot take, there are too many farms.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:06 am

Neutraligon wrote:What do people think of rooftop farms/vertical farming/hydroponic farms and the like for use in cities?

I think rooftop gardens would be a good way to improve access to fresh food, sustainable living and get inner-city kids in touch with where their food comes from.

But then, I also think that scrap land that's going to waste, especially if it's becoming a public nuisance -- i.e. with vandalism, etc -- should be turned over to small-scale farmers in initiatives like this.

So, you could say I have a positive opinion of agriculture. Specifically, lower-intensity farming without use of excess chemicals or hormones.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:13 am

Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:17 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.

So much for ewe
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Postby Gibraltarica » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:20 am

idk I think they're pretty lame to be honest. not much you can do on them.
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Postby Amos-Nuraka » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:23 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.

I mean to be fair animal farming is pretty inefficient and a producer of pollution, so I'm not against getting rid of some of the extremely bad farms. However, my opinion is still farm good.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:23 am

Gibraltarica wrote:idk I think they're pretty lame to be honest. not much you can do on them.

Couple of farm girls and a hayloft? Can have a lot of things to do.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:23 am

Gibraltarica wrote:idk I think they're pretty lame to be honest. not much you can do on them.

Find the food, that goes to the supermarket, which you buy and eat? :eyebrow:

I don't personally consider having food in the cupboard 'lame', but that's me. Never saw the appeal of an empty fridge. No-one I know, who knew hunger, spoke highly of it.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:25 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.

So much for ewe


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:25 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Gibraltarica wrote:idk I think they're pretty lame to be honest. not much you can do on them.

Find the food, that goes to the supermarket, which you buy and eat?

I don't personally consider having food in the cupboard 'lame', but that's me. Never saw the appeal of an empty fridge. No-one I know, who knew hunger, spoke highly it.

The essentials of life are pretty boring.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:25 am

As a Norfolkian I think they're pretty ok. They're an undervalued industry.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Find the food, that goes to the supermarket, which you buy and eat?

I don't personally consider having food in the cupboard 'lame', but that's me. Never saw the appeal of an empty fridge. No-one I know, who knew hunger, spoke highly it.

The essentials of life are pretty boring.

Not having them would be worse.
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Postby Amos-Nuraka » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:28 am

Can we just farm like ants or something for animal meat since they require less resources?
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