What are yalls thoughts on Farms

[Rusozak]

[Lapis Lazului]

Yes, I am new to this game I just started with this account I did have another one before by the name of Lapis Lazuli but I forgot the password to it and it went to the boneyard so I am a little rusty.

Uh huh. Just don't go around talking to yourself, okay?

Sorry, my therapist told me that it may have something to do with the trama.

[The Central Union of Nation States]

Things in with chemicals have been found to cause things like IBS and other gut issues and after you kick the addiction to those chems then you can taste how bad everything actually is. So farms and natural food need to be propped up more and that stupid nutrition pyramid taught in school needs to be banished.

[Kernen]

I hate farms. I recognize their necessity but if I never set foot on one again, it will be too soon.

[Nevertopia]

when have farms not been important? civilizations live or die based on their agriculture.

[Tsarus 2142]

when have farms not been important? civilizations live or die based on their agriculture.

civilizations indeed revolve around agrarianism, however agriculture has only been around like 2% of our human existence and is thus unnatural to us.

[The Capitalist States of Avalon]

Agriculture is a fundamental and integral part of any society. Many people do not understand how much labor goes into producing one meal. At the heart of any society is farmers, working tirelessly to serve their communities and countries. They should be appreciated and held to the upmost respect.

[Senkaku]

(Image)

Let people be happy!

[Ors Might]

when have farms not been important? civilizations live or die based on their agriculture.

civilizations indeed revolve around agrarianism, however agriculture has only been around like 2% of our human existence and is thus unnatural to us.

The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.

[Adamede]

when have farms not been important? civilizations live or die based on their agriculture.

civilizations indeed revolve around agrarianism, however agriculture has only been around like 2% of our human existence and is thus unnatural to us.

Then get off the computer.

[Ors Might]

The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.

Well that's very rational. But having destroyed the point of the post by attacking one word of it, was there something you wanted to add?

Not really. Having an opinion upon the concept of agriculture is like having an opinion on shelter.

[Lapis Lazului]

Your banter is very interesting to me.

[Krasny-Volny]

I live and work on a farm and I am starting to feel like some of you people of the world care none for good food anymore. All I see is people eating are a bunch of foods with chemicals on them that are not okay for you to keep eating so I want to know yalls thoughts on Farming and good agriculture.

I grew up on a farm, and someday I wish to return to farming. My family are farmers going back at least three generations. Dad grew corn for the most part. Grandpappy grew soybeans and raised cattle for beef.

Here's what I think: if you're not a multi-million dollar enterprise with investors and a massive amount of preexisting capital, it's not profitable, it's not sustainable, and it's not possible to compete in today's market. The big players who are already entrenched have a stranglehold on commercial agriculture. When I was growing up, most years the farm operated at a loss. For this reason most of the farmers around today (who are not the big players) are heavily in debt: they go into debt to start the farm, go into debt to buy their machinery and tractors, then go into even more debt for maintenance and upkeep. Then even more debt if there's a particularly bad drought, or an unprecedented invasion of a new type of pest.

So instead of going into agriculture full time, I'm going to get a non-ag career going first, save up for many years, then use that to help finance me buying the farm, getting it started, and covering the first couple years' of upkeep. The farm will then operate as a side hustle and won't become my full time preoccupation until I retire. Depending on agriculture as a primary source of income is just impossible in today's world.

[Katganistan]

I could murder a steak right now....

Well done

I prefer medium-rare, myself.

I would, but there wasn't one to catch in the first place.

I would know that, I made the joke.
You might not find it funny, but that doesn’t change the fact that there was one.

If a joke's made and no one understands it's a joke, is it one?

One can easily buy food from the supermarket! Never heard of that?

How on earth do you think the food gets there, hmmm?

Magic.

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

civilizations indeed revolve around agrarianism, however agriculture has only been around like 2% of our human existence and is thus unnatural to us.

The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.

Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.

[Katganistan]

I’m referring to lab/vat grown meat. Doesn’t come form an animal, as far as I’m consented it counts as synthetic.


I’m on mobile. Meant to type particular animal.

What I’m saying is that instead of spending a lot of money on feed and vaccines and shit you can grow vast more amounts of meat form that animal in a vat for cheaper (once it becomes common place), making the meat cheaper than naturally grown meat.

It may be cheaper but it does not have all the good nutrients you get from a animal that eats what it wants to and sleeps when it wants to, so basically a free animal is better then some science created one. We can't just play god anymore we have to accept that he is better then thee. And I also know there are people out there who believe in something else and then there are those who don't believe in anything and I am not against any of you I am simply expressing my opinion through the freedom of speech. Alright, there it is.

This doesn't make sense, sorry. If God meant man to fly, we'd have wings -- but we didn't, and created gliders, airplanes, etc.

If God meant man not to die of smallpox, we'd be naturally immune -- but instead we created a vaccine.

God gave us brains to use them.

[Heloin]

The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.

Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.

Makes about as much sense as complaining when children don't die of preventable diseases since we weren't naturally immune to them.

[The Blaatschapen]

It may be cheaper but it does not have all the good nutrients you get from a animal that eats what it wants to and sleeps when it wants to, so basically a free animal is better then some science created one. We can't just play god anymore we have to accept that he is better then thee. And I also know there are people out there who believe in something else and then there are those who don't believe in anything and I am not against any of you I am simply expressing my opinion through the freedom of speech. Alright, there it is.

This doesn't make sense, sorry. If God meant man to fly, we'd have wings -- but we didn't, and created gliders, airplanes, etc.

If God meant man not to die of smallpox, we'd be naturally immune -- but instead we created a vaccine.

God gave us brains to use them.

Indeed. Mine is doing a wonderful job as a Paperweight.

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.

Makes about as much sense as complaining when children don't die of preventable diseases since we weren't naturally immune to them.

Lol I’m not denying that nature is an extremely hostile environment compared to this society of safety cushions. This hostility has made us strong though, nowadays that strength is being unraveled by ceaseless coddling.

[Heloin]

Makes about as much sense as complaining when children don't die of preventable diseases since we weren't naturally immune to them.

Lol I’m not denying that nature is an extremely hostile environment compared to this society of safety cushions. This hostility has made us strong though, nowadays that strength is being unraveled by ceaseless coddling.

Then you don't know what you're talking about. But that was already clear when you started saying humanity is going to abandon farming in 100 years.

[Esternial]

When it comes to farms I'm very much for sustainable farming that aims to limit the need for limited resources such as land and water.

For this, GMOs play one essential role alongside other modern farming techniques that augment yield while further reducing cost of precious limited resources - the most important being, again, water.

Synthetic meat is also something I wholeheartedly support, as animals reared for meat often cost a great deal of land and water for relatively limited yields. It offers a compromise between allowing us the modern luxury of meat and reducing our ecological footprint. From what I've read, this meat (i.e. muscle and fat) would be created using the same biological processes that create meat in animals using a more efficient approach - as animals have an entire metabolism that produces waste (some of which pollutes our atmosphere).

Mankind has long researched processes involved in cellular development and determination and applied these technologies quite extensively. Synthetic meat is among one of them, and I'm looking forward to seeing it scaled up further.

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

Lol I’m not denying that nature is an extremely hostile environment compared to this society of safety cushions. This hostility has made us strong though, nowadays that strength is being unraveled by ceaseless coddling.

Then you don't know what you're talking about. But that was already clear when you started saying humanity is going to abandon farming in 100 years.

How do I not know what I'm talking about? Is it that I havent weighed the drawbacks of a post industrial/agrarian society...? Because I have, and I view many of these drawbacks more as benefits.
And can you reference to me where I said we're going to abandon farming in 100 years? I did say globalism would probably collapse, likely further down the line, but never did I ever say we are going to abandon farming. If I did then it was a mistake.

[Adamede]

The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.

Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.

Human nature is overrated.

And not letting our children die to starvation or preventable disease isnt “coddling”.

How about you get off the computer and go live as a hunter gatherer?

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.

Human nature is overrated.

And not letting our children die to starvation or preventable disease isnt “coddling”.

How about you get off the computer and go live as a hunter gatherer?

It's not even just about human nature ... It's about paleolithic living simply being a superior way of living overall. Life expectancy is usually 30 years (the best years of your life, keep in mind), no dealing with the health problems that come with older age. Food is extremely nutritious, you are forced to be healthy (can you complain?). You get up when you want to, you sleep when you want to. And when you are awake, you do what you want to do!

Oh but of course. You can just go to burger king and buy a whopper and a large sprite for like ten bucks if you are hungry! Life is great, right?

As for children dying within 5 years, it sucks and is unfortunate! Yeah, but it is extremely necessary. Unless we manage to find a way to never birth weak children this is how we would remain an adequate species. If down the road this system collapses, and we are left with a world of limp wristed urbanites who see the light of day a total of one hour every week... yeah we're going extinct. Or at least a hefty chunk of our population is going away.

And funny you say that. I'd love to join a tribe and learn to hunt/gather, except you have to pay for property to roam on, where I live...

[Heloin]

Then you don't know what you're talking about. But that was already clear when you started saying humanity is going to abandon farming in 100 years.

How do I not know what I'm talking about? Is it that I havent weighed the drawbacks of a post industrial/agrarian society...? Because I have, and I view many of these drawbacks more as benefits.

The ability to form an opinion on something doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Ted Kaczynski held these exact same beliefs, he was wrong then (along with everything else he did) and you're wrong now.

And can you reference to me where I said we're going to abandon farming in 100 years? I did say globalism would probably collapse, likely further down the line, but never did I ever say we are going to abandon farming. If I did then it was a mistake.

My bad actually I misread a point you made. Though now that you're advocating for a return to a hunter gatherer way of living it looks like my assumption wasn't that off.

Human nature is overrated.

And not letting our children die to starvation or preventable disease isnt “coddling”.

How about you get off the computer and go live as a hunter gatherer?

It's not even just about human nature ... It's about paleolithic living simply being a superior way of living overall. Life expectancy is usually 30 years (the best years of your life, keep in mind), no dealing with the health problems that come with older age. Food is extremely nutritious, you are forced to be healthy (can you complain?). You get up when you want to, you sleep when you want to. And when you are awake, you do what you want to do!

This is a lie. Average human life expectancy was extremely short because that statistic is drastically reduced by child mortality. Humans in hunter gatherer societies could live well into their 60s and even 70s. That you suggest humans weren't expected to live that long is little more than showing a lack of understanding of anthropology.

Oh but of course. You can just go to burger king and buy a whopper and a large sprite for like ten bucks if you are hungry! Life is great, right?

You've never lived in a society where that isn't an option have you?

As for children dying within 5 years, it sucks and is unfortunate! Yeah, but it is extremely necessary. Unless we manage to find a way to never birth weak children this is how we would remain an adequate species. If down the road this system collapses, and we are left with a world of limp wristed urbanites who see the light of day a total of one hour every week... yeah we're going extinct. Or at least a hefty chunk of our population is going away.

What you are advocating for here is called eugenics.

And funny you say that. I'd love to join a tribe and learn to hunt/gather, except you have to pay for property to roam on, where I live...

There is nothing stopping you from heading to South Africa or Namibia right now and living with the Khoisan.