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What are your thoughts on agriculture?

Poll ended at Fri May 28, 2021 10:11 am

It is very important
216
95%
It is of little use
5
2%
Other: anything else
7
3%
 
Total votes : 228

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah, doesn’t mean that we mostly eat those options. Synthetic chicken would be an option, and a common one, but it’ll never fully replace other meats, just as it hasn’t now whole still Jen gone do the cheapest major meats.

I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.

Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:48 am

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The New California Republic wrote:I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.

Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

Why?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:50 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah, doesn’t mean that we mostly eat those options. Synthetic chicken would be an option, and a common one, but it’ll never fully replace other meats, just as it hasn’t now whole still Jen gone do the cheapest major meats.

I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.

Refrigeration and oxygen deprived storage have done wonders too.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:52 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.

Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

When it hits the price point, maybe. As beef in general is more expensive than chicken, it makes more sense to try and make vat based beef, before trying chicken.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:52 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.

Refrigeration and oxygen deprived storage have done wonders too.

We can probably just lump those under means of production for convenience here, since means of storage have a strong link to the means of production.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:55 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Refrigeration and oxygen deprived storage have done wonders too.

We can probably just lump those under means of production for convenience here, since means of storage have a strong link to the means of production.

Well if we don't want to be pedantic, sure.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:56 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:We can probably just lump those under means of production for convenience here, since means of storage have a strong link to the means of production.

Well if we don't want to be pedantic, sure.

And we don't, do we? :p
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:01 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Well if we don't want to be pedantic, sure.

And we don't, do we? :p

You must be New here. My statement made by me, and which is mine, and can be sourced to me is about the supply chain and not production...

I was going for the monty python bit, and I am out and can't find it on the phone
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:01 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Well if we don't want to be pedantic, sure.

And we don't, do we? :p

Indeed. We have standards here.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:03 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

When it hits the price point, maybe. As beef in general is more expensive than chicken, it makes more sense to try and make vat based beef, before trying chicken.


And even that will take quite some time. We really have to increase production and make vats amounts of it.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

Why?

Becuase you don’t need to sink the resources into raising that palttucakr animal and keeping it alive and healthy till you slaughter it.

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:05 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah and synthetic meat is only going to shift it in favor of traditionally more expensive meats.

When it hits the price point, maybe. As beef in general is more expensive than chicken, it makes more sense to try and make vat based beef, before trying chicken.

That’s exactly what I’m saying.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:06 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Why?

Becuase you don’t need to sink the resources into raising that palttucakr animal and keeping it alive and healthy till you slaughter it.

The what?
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Postby Heloin » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:18 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Why?

Becuase you don’t need to sink the resources into raising that palttucakr animal and keeping it alive and healthy till you slaughter it.

Do you know what synthetic meat is?

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:24 am

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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:29 pm

Heloin wrote:
Adamede wrote:Becuase you don’t need to sink the resources into raising that palttucakr animal and keeping it alive and healthy till you slaughter it.

Do you know what synthetic meat is?

I’m referring to lab/vat grown meat. Doesn’t come form an animal, as far as I’m consented it counts as synthetic.

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:Becuase you don’t need to sink the resources into raising that palttucakr animal and keeping it alive and healthy till you slaughter it.

The what?

I’m on mobile. Meant to type particular animal.

What I’m saying is that instead of spending a lot of money on feed and vaccines and shit you can grow vast more amounts of meat form that animal in a vat for cheaper (once it becomes common place), making the meat cheaper than naturally grown meat.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:32 pm

Farms are rad, people gotta eat.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:41 pm

This is just people arguing about why they like farming, lol.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:This is just people arguing about why they like farming, lol.

...it isn't tho.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:49 pm

Agriculture should be organized as industrial production is. Both sectors should be unionized and owned and operated by the workers. One Big Union!

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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:52 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:This is just people arguing about why they like farming, lol.

...it isn't tho.

Well, I’m too lazy to read what it’s actually about, so just give me the win here.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:52 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Agriculture should be organized as industrial production is. Both sectors should be unionized and owned and operated by the workers. One Big Union!


That sounds awfully commie of you.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:53 pm

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...it isn't tho.

Well, I’m too lazy to read what it’s actually about, so just give me the win here.

Well that's entirely on you then. And no.
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Postby Odreria » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:54 pm

fuck farms. farms are for pussies. go eat some bugs.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:59 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Well, I’m too lazy to read what it’s actually about, so just give me the win here.

Well that's entirely on you then. And no.

Catch a joke.
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