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What are your thoughts on agriculture?

Poll ended at Fri May 28, 2021 10:11 am

It is very important
216
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It is of little use
5
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Other: anything else
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Total votes : 228

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:12 pm

Chan Island wrote:Unfathomably important and cool things. I am very pro-farm (if you could believe it), and have wistfully thought of what being one would be like.


Not that great, if you're carrying stock. You get trampled underfoot and shat on.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:09 am

I never thought I'd hear someone say that no one eats food anymore, but.... Here we are
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:40 am

Kowani wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.

Tbf
If we stopped farming animals, a lot of them would go extinct, Mr. Sheep


See my comment a few posts up.
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Postby Miku the Based » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:57 am

Lapis Lazului wrote: All I see people eating are a bunch of foods with chemicals that are not okay for you .

We all eat from a farm no matter what chemical or perserative is added in the packaging process. Very few people practice permaculture and eat it fresh.
Edit: that said hunter gatherers are much more fit and capable people.
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Postby Miku the Based » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:04 am

Auze wrote:Domestic sheep especially, evolutionally speaking, herbivores should not regularly lose in battle with their food.

Unless... ? Plant uprising now.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:06 am

My entire country is dependent on agriculture, so I’d say farms are pretty pog.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:26 am

Amos-Nuraka wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Farms for produce are fine.

Farms for animals are not. We're not living in 1984 anymore.

Animal husbandry has a huge environmental impact that we should drastically reduce.

I mean to be fair animal farming is pretty inefficient and a producer of pollution, so I'm not against getting rid of some of the extremely bad farms. However, my opinion is still farm good.

Depends on the setting. There’s plenty of locals where you can’t grow anything but inedible grass and shrub that humans can’t eat, but livestock can, and humans in turn eat the livestock.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:47 am

Adamede wrote:
Amos-Nuraka wrote:I mean to be fair animal farming is pretty inefficient and a producer of pollution, so I'm not against getting rid of some of the extremely bad farms. However, my opinion is still farm good.

Depends on the setting. There’s plenty of locals where you can’t grow anything but inedible grass and shun that humans can’t eat, but livestock can, and humans in turn eat the livestock.

Fortunately we can move food over long distances with ease.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Adamede wrote:Depends on the setting. There’s plenty of locals where you can’t grow anything but inedible grass and shun that humans can’t eat, but livestock can, and humans in turn eat the livestock.

Fortunately we can move food over long distances with ease.

Okay? Never said we couldn’t.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Adamede wrote:Depends on the setting. There’s plenty of locals where you can’t grow anything but inedible grass and shun that humans can’t eat, but livestock can, and humans in turn eat the livestock.

Fortunately we can move food over long distances with ease.

And all those pesky carbon emissions from the process

Eat local.
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Postby Roegerland » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:23 am

Farms are good.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:30 am

Adamede wrote:
Amos-Nuraka wrote:I mean to be fair animal farming is pretty inefficient and a producer of pollution, so I'm not against getting rid of some of the extremely bad farms. However, my opinion is still farm good.

Depends on the setting. There’s plenty of locals where you can’t grow anything but inedible grass and shrub that humans can’t eat, but livestock can, and humans in turn eat the livestock.


When I want to reduce the amount of meat produced, I am not talking about those areas ;)
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:35 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fortunately we can move food over long distances with ease.

And all those pesky carbon emissions from the process

Eat local.


Eating pork instead of beef is more significant. It's surprising to me, as I used to think of pigs as particularly farty.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:41 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:And all those pesky carbon emissions from the process

Eat local.


Eating pork instead of beef is more significant. It's surprising to me, as I used to think of pigs as particularly farty.

Not kosher. But eating just one or the other is limiting.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:14 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Eating pork instead of beef is more significant. It's surprising to me, as I used to think of pigs as particularly farty.

Not kosher. But eating just one or the other is limiting.

Chickens are rather benign when it comes to said carbon emissions. Also the healthier meat to eat, come to think of it.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:16 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not kosher. But eating just one or the other is limiting.

Chickens are rather benign when it comes to said carbon emissions. Also the healthier meat to eat, come to think of it.

We do eat a lot of chicken at least twice a week. Yes
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:27 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not kosher. But eating just one or the other is limiting.

Chickens are rather benign when it comes to said carbon emissions. Also the healthier meat to eat, come to think of it.

I can honestly see that if consumed meat becomes totally synthetic in the future, that it'll probably just be chicken and nothing else.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:30 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Chickens are rather benign when it comes to said carbon emissions. Also the healthier meat to eat, come to think of it.

I can honestly see that if consumed meat becomes totally synthetic in the future, that it'll probably just be chicken and nothing else.

How? The whole point of synthetic meat production is that it would separate meat from the current resources heavy production. I can’t imagine it be any easier or cheaper to grow chicken meat cells versus cow meat cells (or even human meat cells)

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:33 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I can honestly see that if consumed meat becomes totally synthetic in the future, that it'll probably just be chicken and nothing else.

How? The whole point of synthetic meat production is that it would separate meat from the current resources heavy production. I can’t imagine it be any easier or cheaper to grow chicken meat cells versus cow meat cells (or even human meat cells)

Health reasons mainly.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:35 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:How? The whole point of synthetic meat production is that it would separate meat from the current resources heavy production. I can’t imagine it be any easier or cheaper to grow chicken meat cells versus cow meat cells (or even human meat cells)

Health reasons mainly.

When has health concerns ever affected a societies diet?

Nah that’s a change that’s going to have to come form something other than synthetic meat.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:37 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Health reasons mainly.

When has health concerns ever affected a societies diet?

Many times actually. Just look at the plethora of foods that are available now in comparison to before, such as low salt and low sugar options, gluten free, fat free etc.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:When has health concerns ever affected a societies diet?

Many times actually. Just look at the plethora of foods that are available now in comparison to before, such as low salt and low sugar options, gluten free, fat free etc.

And how much has that changed the health of our diets? We still eat too much meat, too much red meat, carbs, sugars, etc.

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Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Many times actually. Just look at the plethora of foods that are available now in comparison to before, such as low salt and low sugar options, gluten free, fat free etc.

And how much has that changed the health of our diets? We still eat too much meat, too much red meat, carbs, sugars, etc.

The mere fact there are options at all is itself a change in diet.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:43 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Adamede wrote:And how much has that changed the health of our diets? We still eat too much meat, too much red meat, carbs, sugars, etc.

The mere fact there are options at all is itself a change in diet.

Yah, doesn’t mean that we mostly eat those options. Synthetic chicken would be an option, and a common one, but it’ll never fully replace other meats, just as it hasn’t now whole still Jen gone do the cheapest major meats.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:46 am

Adamede wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The mere fact there are options at all is itself a change in diet.

Yah, doesn’t mean that we mostly eat those options. Synthetic chicken would be an option, and a common one, but it’ll never fully replace other meats, just as it hasn’t now whole still Jen gone do the cheapest major meats.

I dunno man, shifts in the means of production do lead to some pretty drastic shifts in diet.
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