Facebook bans Australia while Google pays Murdoch

[Nilokeras]

According to Reuters, the Dominion of Canada is planning on going down a similar path to Australia.

Honestly, as a Canadian, it's a win-win for me: best case scenario, local journalism is supported which hinders the spread of misinformation, and worst case scenario, if Facebook bans Canadian news and news for Canadians, well, I won't be so tempted to read Facebook comments section on news articles.

Makes sense. Canada's second only to Australia in terms of its media's cosiness with the government, incestuousness and insularity.

[Luziyca]

Australia says that Facebook will be unblocking news pages over the next few days, and amendments will be made to the law.

Hope these amendments don't exempt Facebook from these regulations, and that this is amended so to go to smaller journalistic organisations.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Facebook Takes Down All Posts Spreading Misinformation About Fictional Nation Of ‘Australia’

[Kowani]

Australia says that Facebook will be unblocking news pages over the next few days, and amendments will be made to the law.

Hope these amendments don't exempt Facebook from these regulations, and that this is amended so to go to smaller journalistic organisations.

It does and doesn't: the most important change is the end of the automatic arbitration clause, allowing Facebook to strike deals with publishers on its own terms

[Luziyca]

Australia says that Facebook will be unblocking news pages over the next few days, and amendments will be made to the law.

Hope these amendments don't exempt Facebook from these regulations, and that this is amended so to go to smaller journalistic organisations.

It does and doesn't: the most important change is the end of the automatic arbitration clause, allowing Facebook to strike deals with publishers on its own terms

Can't wait for Facebook to push journalists out because they don't pay $500 to Facebook.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I’m fully on the side of the Australian government on this issue and it’s a shame that the law got watered down due to pressure.

Social media corporations should no longer be able to generate advertising revenue from third-party content. It’s a serious copyright issue, too.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

I’m fully on the side of the Australian government on this issue and it’s a shame that the law got watered down due to pressure.

Social media corporations should no longer be able to generate advertising revenue from third-party content. It’s a serious copyright issue, too.

I heard Facebook complied with some watered-down terms I don't know yet.

No matter how weak, it's the precedent that matters. Google and Facebook are the two toughest targets on the planet, and if they'd really fought back it would have been a deadly blow to ScoMo (tho not necessarily to the Coalition). I'm sure they were all aware what would happen to their approval rating if Australians could only use Google through a VPN or some such. My feeling is that if Google hadn't made terms, Facebook certainly never would have. Their bargaining power (to block their own service) is much less.

Now we just have to wait and see if other countries follow the same model. Getting more money out of those two, or getting it out of Twitter as well, or maybe even distributing the money more widely, will have to wait until we have some international support.

[The Black Forrest]

Might be a little old. I heard they reached some sort of agreement.

Not that it matters to me. I can’t get to my account anymore. Got hacked and didn’t notice it (not a frequent user).

It turns out that “your password was changed” notification has a limited lifespan.

Their recovery tools also depend on the attacker not changing anything. Once they change the email and recovery options; you are done. No way to contact facebook directly which really don’t matter as they ignore it.

They do pay attention to one thing though. Their community boards. Reply to somebody else going through this.....message deleted. Start a new message explain what happened and ask for help....message deleted.

I may not start a new account. Shame though. Loose the contacts and stuff collected over the years.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

The copyright is complicated. We typically sign a contract wherein we retain the copyright, but in the case of Twitter or Nationstates, we grant publishing rights to unlimited numbers of "copies" to literally anyone. If our copyright is "infringed" by someone out there on the internet, we have exactly zero claim against our "publisher".

Traditional publishers (including TV etc) are still partly defended against a user putting the publisher's material on "their" page. They haven't signed that contract giving the platform reproduction rights. However, they can only sue the platform if they fail to take down the copyrighted material when it's brought to their attention ... by which time there will be thousands of copies out there, and growing faster than the original content provider could possibly shut them down.

Why this hasn't already killed copyright stone dead, I think can be explained by what happened to music companies. They seemed quite literally doomed when consumers discovered that going to a shop, buying a CD, taking it home, digitizing it right away and then storing it on a shelf forever, was nothing but an unnecessary hassle. Combined with the pirated copy being literally free, I saw no way music labels could move their service online and sell the exact same songs that people got for free.

But what ultimately saved the labels (or at least some of them) wasn't copyright law. It was an honest impulse to "give something back" to the artist, plus some downsizing of the greed of labels who could no longer pretend the inflated price of their product was justified by a tiny share going to the artist (performer and writer separately, hence why musicians almost never object to a cover version which would otherwise be blatant plagiarism), manufacture and the whole distribution chain. All they were indispensable for was funding startup bands, providing a studio, mixing desk and recording gear, managing advertising, and funding tours. Even less now, but the point is that they've managed to keep a niche between the somewhat successful artists, and the listeners, because of a flow of money from listeners to artists that is almost entirely voluntary.

Music companies are just reputational parasites really. Computers and internet technology have obsoleted every part of their business except, arguably, advance funding of tours, and good studios. But their struggles with piracy uncovered something very hopeful for the internet in the future: people will voluntarily pay for stuff they could easily get for free, providing they're assure the creator of the stuff they enjoy is getting some of that money. If we could just improve that to "virtually all of that money" then we could minimize advertising on (otherwise) free platforms, while the pay-to-view platforms would just die (besides a few trade and professional oriented sites), copyright sharks like Sony and Hasbro could get a real job, and content creators of all kinds would be rewarded only in proportion to how much they pleased or enlightened however many people.

Maybe I could even get paid for doing for what I most enjoy

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Might be a little old. I heard they reached some sort of agreement.

Not that it matters to me. I can’t get to my account anymore. Got hacked and didn’t notice it (not a frequent user).

It turns out that “your password was changed” notification has a limited lifespan.

Their recovery tools also depend on the attacker not changing anything. Once they change the email and recovery options; you are done.

That doesn't sound right. Not keeping a record of the past email addresses you used seems kind of last century.

I suppose it could be a legal liability thing. For example you turn out to be a heinous criminal and the law claims that they should have noticed something that was on your page. Still that's not enough to explain such poor user functionality.

No way to contact facebook directly which really don’t matter as they ignore it.

They do pay attention to one thing though. Their community boards. Reply to somebody else going through this.....message deleted. Start a new message explain what happened and ask for help....message deleted.

I may not start a new account. Shame though. Loose the contacts and stuff collected over the years.

Can you still access the page through a friend's account?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I genuinely don't understand the australian law on this one. Someone shares a link to a news site, which drives clicks to the news site and thus increases ad traffic on the news site - but facebook is penalized for it?

[The Black Forrest]

Might be a little old. I heard they reached some sort of agreement.

Not that it matters to me. I can’t get to my account anymore. Got hacked and didn’t notice it (not a frequent user).

It turns out that “your password was changed” notification has a limited lifespan.

Their recovery tools also depend on the attacker not changing anything. Once they change the email and recovery options; you are done.

That doesn't sound right. Not keeping a record of the past email addresses you used seems kind of last century.

I suppose it could be a legal liability thing. For example you turn out to be a heinous criminal and the law claims that they should have noticed something that was on your page. Still that's not enough to explain such poor user functionality.

No way to contact facebook directly which really don’t matter as they ignore it.

They do pay attention to one thing though. Their community boards. Reply to somebody else going through this.....message deleted. Start a new message explain what happened and ask for help....message deleted.

I may not start a new account. Shame though. Loose the contacts and stuff collected over the years.

Can you still access the page through a friend's account?

It is. You can put in your smartphone for password resets. However, again that was changed.

The attacker went through and changed the close/trusted friends. Even then; their friend “solution” is basically walking your through the process which depends on nothing changing.

[Kowani]

Law has been passed

[Shazbotdom]

Law has been passed

Watch Facebook now cease allowing all newspapers to post.