Was Fidel Castro a bad guy?

[The Reformed American Republic]

That's a really weak argument considering he literally shipped all his opposition to the U.S. and whether or not Cubans like him doesn't at all relate to whether or not he was good to them. The Kim Dynasty's relationship with the North Korean people could be compared to that of an abuser to the abused. The fact that the abused is too afraid of the abuser does not necessarily mean they favor them. Dictators rule through fear and intimidation and Castro was no exception to this.

I mean, there are genuinely a lot of North Koreans who actually like the Kims. Even some of them in the South still speak favorably of the North as a whole. It's far too black and white to think dictators only rule through fear and intimidation, the real world is much more complicated than that.

They rule through lies as well.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

On the whole Castro is better than Batista, so I consider him to be a net improvement (although the bar was fucking low). That being said, Cuban cities look like they are still stuck in the 1950s.

I'm glad that they have opened up to private business and dropped central planning. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/09/amer ... index.html

To be fair idk if that's cause of Castro or just cause it's latin america. If you go to East LA, it looks like it's stuck in the 1950s...I mean kinda, all the cars look that way.

[Picairn]

Even some of them in the South still speak favorably of the North as a whole.

The welfare, man, the welfare. In communist countries you get low salary in government jobs but get free housing, transportation and healthcare (although the quality is quite shoddy). South Korea is a hypercapitalist country where government and society still places an emphasis on hard work while offering little rights for workers. They still have a catch-up to do.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Castro, like most historical figures, did some good things and some bad things. People aren’t binary, there are no "good people" and "bad people." Joseph Stalin, who’s generally seen as a bad person, turned Russia from a backwater agrarian country into a modern industrialized power, while still needlessly purging and killing millions. Likewise, Roosevelt, who’s generally considered a good person, sent American citizens to internment camps on the basis of ethnicity, yet pulled the US out of the Great Depression by instituting the first corporatist economic reforms in American history.

[Picairn]

Dictatorships can't rule by fear forever. They have to offer carrots unless they want to see themselves overthrown. The carrots come from welfare, subsidies, patriotism inspired by hatred for the enemy, etc.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Even some of them in the South still speak favorably of the North as a whole.

The welfare, man, the welfare. In communist countries you get low salary in government jobs but get free housing, transportation and healthcare (although the quality is quite shoddy). South Korea is a hypercapitalist country where government and society still places an emphasis on hard work while offering little rights for workers. They still have a catch-up to do.

Reminds me of the song Holiday in the Sun when John Lydon was talking about jumping over the Berlin Wall into communist East Berlin lol.

Your society isn't doing so good when people wanna join North Korea.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Castro, like most historical figures, did some good things and some bad things. People aren’t binary, there are no "good people" and "bad people." Joseph Stalin, who’s generally seen as a bad person, turned Russia from a backwater agrarian country into a modern industrialized power, while still needlessly purging and killing millions. Likewise, Roosevelt, who’s generally considered a good person, sent American citizens to internment camps on the basis of ethnicity, yet pulled the US out of the Great Depression by instituting the first corporatist economic reforms in American history.

More like bad people can do good things. Stalin was still evil.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The welfare, man, the welfare. In communist countries you get low salary in government jobs but get free housing, transportation and healthcare (although the quality is quite shoddy). South Korea is a hypercapitalist country where government and society still places an emphasis on hard work while offering little rights for workers. They still have a catch-up to do.

Reminds me of the song Holiday in the Sun when John Lydon was talking about jumping over the Berlin Wall into communist East Berlin lol.

Your society isn't doing so good when people wanna join North Korea.

More like there are people who believe stupid things. One would be pretty naive to believe that the Northern part of Korea is better than the South.

[Picairn]

Castro, like most historical figures, did some good things and some bad things. People aren’t binary, there are no "good people" and "bad people." Joseph Stalin, who’s generally seen as a bad person, turned Russia from a backwater agrarian country into a modern industrialized power, while still needlessly purging and killing millions. Likewise, Roosevelt, who’s generally considered a good person, sent American citizens to internment camps on the basis of ethnicity, yet pulled the US out of the Great Depression by instituting the first corporatist economic reforms in American history.

Stalin could have industrialized without farm collectivization and purges. The death toll would have been way lower without famines and shit.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Reminds me of the song Holiday in the Sun when John Lydon was talking about jumping over the Berlin Wall into communist East Berlin lol.

Your society isn't doing so good when people wanna join North Korea.

More like there are people who believe stupid things. One would be pretty naive to believe that the Northern part of Korea is better than the South.

Well thats quite alot of dumb people. I think it's much more likely that things aren't so fine and dandy in SK and when they see the propaganda from the north, they start thinking its better there.

It would go a long way toward quelling the propaganda of the communists by really putting an end to crony capitalism in the South. Otto Von Bismarck understood this thought process which is why he pushed for social democracy.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Castro, like most historical figures, did some good things and some bad things. People aren’t binary, there are no "good people" and "bad people." Joseph Stalin, who’s generally seen as a bad person, turned Russia from a backwater agrarian country into a modern industrialized power, while still needlessly purging and killing millions. Likewise, Roosevelt, who’s generally considered a good person, sent American citizens to internment camps on the basis of ethnicity, yet pulled the US out of the Great Depression by instituting the first corporatist economic reforms in American history.

More like bad people can do good things. Stalin was still evil.

It's a pretty agreed upon by everyone (except the tankies) that Stalin was a psychotic murderer. A man who kills his own family members is pretty low.

[New American Unionist State]

I feel like he was the good guy at the beginning against Batista but afterwards he basically became what he swore to destroy. He became the bad guy after a while.

[Rosmana]

I feel like he was the good guy at the beginning against Batista but afterwards he basically became what he swore to destroy. He became the bad guy after a while.

Well said.

[Taigama]

I feel like the logic that could be put into effect is that he was a “bad guy,” but not a bad guy, if you know what I mean by that.

[Picairn]

More like there are people who believe stupid things. One would be pretty naive to believe that the Northern part of Korea is better than the South.

"Better" is a relative term. Some NK refugees were discriminated against by their supposed Southern brethren while getting their life squeezed out by the chaebols (government-sanctioned monopolies). In NK they can get shot for criticizing Dear Leader yes, but so long as they keep their heads down they can enjoy the peace of mind and a peaceful life subsidized by the government.

I would not consider getting squeezed by the corporations to be "freedom" at all. You are essentially serving as a slave with long hours for pitiful pay.

[Adamede]

The welfare, man, the welfare. In communist countries you get low salary in government jobs but get free housing, transportation and healthcare (although the quality is quite shoddy). South Korea is a hypercapitalist country where government and society still places an emphasis on hard work while offering little rights for workers. They still have a catch-up to do.

Reminds me of the song Holiday in the Sun when John Lydon was talking about jumping over the Berlin Wall into communist East Berlin lol.

Your society isn't doing so good when people wanna join North Korea.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I feel like the logic that could be put into effect is that he was a “bad guy,” but not a bad guy, if you know what I mean by that.

He did bad things for a good cause. Like the ideas he fought for weren't bad in the way ISIS is, but he ended up doing shit like jailing people who didn't agree with him.

He probably killed some folks too. Idk, does anyone know if Fidel murdered any opponents of his?

[North Rosmana]

I feel like the logic that could be put into effect is that he was a “bad guy,” but not a bad guy, if you know what I mean by that.

He did bad things for a good cause. Like the ideas he fought for weren't bad in the way ISIS is, but he ended up doing shit like jailing people who didn't agree with him.

He probably killed some folks too. Idk, does anyone know if Fidel murdered any opponents of his?

He did.

[Taigama]

I feel like the logic that could be put into effect is that he was a “bad guy,” but not a bad guy, if you know what I mean by that.

He did bad things for a good cause. Like the ideas he fought for weren't bad in the way ISIS is, but he ended up doing shit like jailing people who didn't agree with him.

He probably killed some folks too. Idk, does anyone know if Fidel murdered any opponents of his?

Yes, he did reform Cuba in some good ways, like introducing socialism (this time it actually worked, as true socialism only works in small countries) and got some strong allies to back them up. I also feel like American propaganda was the cause of him being ousted as a bad guy.

[Greater Miami Shores]

On the whole Castro is better than Batista, so I consider him to be a net improvement (although the bar was fucking low). That being said, Cuban cities look like they are still stuck in the 1950s.

I'm glad that they have opened up to private business and dropped central planning. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/09/amer ... index.html

To be fair idk if that's cause of Castro or just cause it's latin america. If you go to East LA, it looks like it's stuck in the 1950s...I mean kinda, all the cars look that way.

On my first post I shared with you how the free education and health care are not as free as they seem and I left out some details.

When talking about Cuba keep in mind in Cuba everything is a triumph of the revolution.

The Cuban regime is a master at control and I can share a few things you guys might not know. As Picarin says they have allowed small private businesses by what they call Cuentapropistas Kind of like saying self employed, they hate to use the capitalist words of business man, business women and private businesses.

They control the exports and imports from foreign governments to the Cuentapropistas, this is a form of control over the Cuban people. By my research in the past on Cuban government sites, at least 80 % of the Cuentapropistas belong to a Cuban government union, another form of control over the Cuban people and the Cuentapropistas.

Behave and obey the government.

I am leaving out the most interesting details for now.

I can go on, on and on this one post. Peace over and out.

Republican President Trump is a Cuba related issue.
I know I will not change any Persons views and they will not change my my views on Republican President Trump, Cuba, the Castro's or any issues, this applies to all of us towards each other on all issues.

[Diarcesia]

Duh

[Greater Miami Shores]

Duh

Diarcesia my good friend, what do you mean by Duh?

I was just about to Peace over and out when I saw your post and I could not resist.

[Southern Xenick]

Eh, I personally do but of the Cubans really wanted him gone they would’ve gotten rid of him themselves.

That isn't how it works with dictatorships, they have loyal followings that ensure you do like them, or at least act like it or else

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Eh, I personally do but of the Cubans really wanted him gone they would’ve gotten rid of him themselves.

That isn't how it works with dictatorships, they have loyal followings that ensure you do like them, or at least act like it or else

The collectivos of Venezuela come to mind.

[Ethel mermania]

Unfortunately the rumor that he was a yankee prospect is false.

Otherwise another power mad south American evil dictator, just playing for red team instead of blue.