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Postby Katganistan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:15 pm

Anglicora wrote:Well given that Easter and Christmas weren't stolen from pagans we have no reason to change anything. Unless you want to somehow prove that pagans celebrated the birth of and death & resurrection of Jesus Christ.



Hmm, well the spring goddess Eostre would like to have a word.

Why is Easter called Easter?

And if you read the Bible, Jesus was born during lambing season, which in the Middle East would have been no later than October. But there was a pagan holiday, Saturnalia, which included gift gifting right there around the Winter Solstice. Care to guess where that falls?
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Postby Loeje » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:20 pm

I don't especially like Valentine's Day myself, but it has nothing to do with the commercialization or anything like that. It just annoys me that people forget my birthday for a minor holiday that a lot of people can't stand. :lol2:

The chocolates are good, though, and that makes up for everything. Valentine's Day isn't all bad.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:21 pm

Loeje wrote:I don't especially like Valentine's Day myself, but it has nothing to do with the commercialization or anything like that. It just annoys me that people forget my birthday for a minor holiday that a lot of people can't stand. :lol2:

The chocolates are good, though, and that makes up for everything. Valentine's Day isn't all bad.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:24 pm

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Because she's right, and you're being utterly insufferable towards one of the best mods on the entire site.

She isn't "right", unless calling someone else a subhuman is considered right here.


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Postby Katganistan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:34 pm

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No, it isn't. And its a day many of us choose to set aside to celebrate something, because we don't have infinite attention spans to devote to recognizing everything all the time (spoiler alert, you're in the same boat here).

Then leave the bashers alone, just get off the Internet for that day or if you have to use it, then avoid big sites where everyone has a vast range of opinions of that day, just anything to not have your Valentine's Day ruined

You know, Giovenith is NOT the topic of this thread, so please knock it off and either discuss Valentine's Day or go rant elsewhere, thanks.

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Postby Kandorith » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:07 pm

Dumb? No not really. I'd say it is more overrated rather than dumb. Valentines Day can be fun though, if you do not take it too seriously.
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Postby Crabaiaia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:10 pm

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Crabaiaia wrote:She isn't "right", unless calling someone else a subhuman is considered right here.


Is that really the fucking hill you want to die on?

Ofc, I would rather die than face my friend's subhumanity
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Postby The Grandest Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:13 pm

Loeje wrote:I don't especially like Valentine's Day myself, but it has nothing to do with the commercialization or anything like that. It just annoys me that people forget my birthday for a minor holiday that a lot of people can't stand. :lol2:

The chocolates are good, though, and that makes up for everything. Valentine's Day isn't all bad.

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Postby Crabaiaia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:14 pm

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Crabaiaia wrote:She isn't "right", unless calling someone else a subhuman is considered right here.


Holy fuck my guy nobody called you a subhuman lmao, get off the cross you look ridiculous

I would rather die on one of the most torturous way of dying, then living with the fact that hating valentines = inferior
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:50 pm

Crabaiaia wrote:Exactly, unlike Gio here, with her selfish subhuman bashers
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Crabaiaia wrote:She isn't "right", unless calling someone else a subhuman is considered right here.

If Gio has called you "subhuman", you report it in the proper place, not repeatedly attack them and try to yank the thread into accusing them of rulebreaking behavior.

Given you seem to be utterly incapable of discussing this topic without crashing into a ditch obsessively trying to harass other players,
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Postby Odreria » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:35 am

I spent valentines playing smash by myself. Sometimes life can be alright.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:56 am

Katganistan wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:The commercialization of it has cheapened love and the concept of giving a gift to someone whom you have feelings.

A lot of the commercialization surrounding it has also amplified the pre-existing idea of the relationship being one-way with one person giving and another person receiving instead of it being reciprocal, although that's a larger issue which transcends the holiday itself.



I prefer making a gift to give to someone I appreciate anyway.

Or, if like me and any attempt to make a jumper would result in presenting them a ball of tangled string ( :p ), finding something more personal and unique that you know they'll love.

I have been known to write poems for people I care about, though.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:45 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Katganistan wrote:

I prefer making a gift to give to someone I appreciate anyway.

Or, if like me and any attempt to make a jumper would result in presenting them a ball of tangled string ( :p ), finding something more personal and unique that you know they'll love.

I have been known to write poems for people I care about, though.


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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:50 am

Katganistan wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:The commercialization of it has cheapened love and the concept of giving a gift to someone whom you have feelings.

A lot of the commercialization surrounding it has also amplified the pre-existing idea of the relationship being one-way with one person giving and another person receiving instead of it being reciprocal, although that's a larger issue which transcends the holiday itself.



I prefer making a gift to give to someone I appreciate anyway.

Yep, making the gift is more meaningful.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:54 pm

I mean, it is for me: I’ve spend every Valentine’s Day alone and probably will until the day I die.
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Insaanistan wrote:I mean, it is for me: I’ve spend every Valentine’s Day alone and probably will until the day I die.

Same
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Postby Theberstan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:16 pm

Nevertopia wrote:Of course Valentine’s Day feels overrated. The ever-evolving, mutating, vicious creature we know as commercialization has taken over every part of our lives. Modern society’s over-emphasis on hollow sentimentalism, to make up for a lack of true charity, means that flowers, chocolates, and well-written cards — gestures that might actually hold meaning — feel cheap and obligatory. Couples are indoctrinated by bootleg Hallmark brands and chocolate companies set upon making this year “the most special one yet.”

There is no recognition of personhood in Modern Romance. Check off the boxes, take her to dinner maybe, get her a card that says “Will you be my Valentine?” and maybe she won’t be upset at you for “not caring.” Right? It’s cheap, it’s fake, it’s vapid.

But actual Valentine’s Day, in which we celebrate love (the greatest reality there is), is anything but vapid. Love is so integral to humankind that it should be celebrated as much as possible. Sentimental? Yes. True? Yes. Rhetorical Questions? Also yes.

And that is why Valentine’s Day, though surely overly commercialized, kitschy, and sometimes downright stupid, has at its core something quite beautiful, which is the cry of the human spirit to love and be loved.

First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.

Love illuminates our vision, bringing us to see people as they truly are and how we ought to see them. Love allows us to see others’ dignity and intrinsic goodness as created beings. Love converts our very being: when we are in love, don’t we yearn to see our beloved’s face light up when we walk in a room? Our entire disposition is changed.

Love points us towards the Divine, the ultimate reality of love: God. Behind the youth pastor’s whisper-yell of “God really, like, totally, wants to hang out. Cuz he loves you,” is a very real, vertical connection between the creature and his Creator. Philosopher Jean Luc-Marian actually argues that we only speak of God in terms of the totality of love, the only indescribable thing we can begin to imagine. Not to get overly philosophical or theological here (probably too late), but there is significance in setting aside a day in which we contemplate love.

And how do we contemplate love? By spending time with those we love, whether it be with the Creator, friend, or significant other. Practically, Valentine’s Day gives couples a specific date on which they can make sure to be together. Mothers and fathers have a reason to go on a date. Valentine’s Day is the day in which we celebrate love, which connects all reality.

Practical parts of Valentine’s Day are also underrated. For the parents of people born in November, it’s a great day. For middle schoolers it’s a memorable time of social anxiety.

There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.

But what do you think? Is Valentine's dumb?


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Postby Hauva » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:20 pm

Nevertopia wrote:Of course Valentine’s Day feels overrated. The ever-evolving, mutating, vicious creature we know as commercialization has taken over every part of our lives. Modern society’s over-emphasis on hollow sentimentalism, to make up for a lack of true charity, means that flowers, chocolates, and well-written cards — gestures that might actually hold meaning — feel cheap and obligatory. Couples are indoctrinated by bootleg Hallmark brands and chocolate companies set upon making this year “the most special one yet.”

There is no recognition of personhood in Modern Romance. Check off the boxes, take her to dinner maybe, get her a card that says “Will you be my Valentine?” and maybe she won’t be upset at you for “not caring.” Right? It’s cheap, it’s fake, it’s vapid.

But actual Valentine’s Day, in which we celebrate love (the greatest reality there is), is anything but vapid. Love is so integral to humankind that it should be celebrated as much as possible. Sentimental? Yes. True? Yes. Rhetorical Questions? Also yes.

And that is why Valentine’s Day, though surely overly commercialized, kitschy, and sometimes downright stupid, has at its core something quite beautiful, which is the cry of the human spirit to love and be loved.

First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.

Love illuminates our vision, bringing us to see people as they truly are and how we ought to see them. Love allows us to see others’ dignity and intrinsic goodness as created beings. Love converts our very being: when we are in love, don’t we yearn to see our beloved’s face light up when we walk in a room? Our entire disposition is changed.

Love points us towards the Divine, the ultimate reality of love: God. Behind the youth pastor’s whisper-yell of “God really, like, totally, wants to hang out. Cuz he loves you,” is a very real, vertical connection between the creature and his Creator. Philosopher Jean Luc-Marian actually argues that we only speak of God in terms of the totality of love, the only indescribable thing we can begin to imagine. Not to get overly philosophical or theological here (probably too late), but there is significance in setting aside a day in which we contemplate love.

And how do we contemplate love? By spending time with those we love, whether it be with the Creator, friend, or significant other. Practically, Valentine’s Day gives couples a specific date on which they can make sure to be together. Mothers and fathers have a reason to go on a date. Valentine’s Day is the day in which we celebrate love, which connects all reality.

Practical parts of Valentine’s Day are also underrated. For the parents of people born in November, it’s a great day. For middle schoolers it’s a memorable time of social anxiety.

There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.

But what do you think? Is Valentine's dumb?


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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:10 pm

Insaanistan wrote:I mean, it is for me: I’ve spend every Valentine’s Day alone and probably will until the day I die.

I doubt that. You're really young, you have a lot of time, and we're all contantly changing.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:12 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Katganistan wrote:

I prefer making a gift to give to someone I appreciate anyway.

Yep, making the gift is more meaningful.

Not to mention the feeling of giving something you made for them is better both for you and for them.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:14 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:I mean, it is for me: I’ve spend every Valentine’s Day alone and probably will until the day I die.

I doubt that. You're really young, you have a lot of time, and we're all contantly changing.

Eh. Hope so!
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:15 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:I doubt that. You're really young, you have a lot of time, and we're all contantly changing.

Eh. Hope so!

I know so. I struggled with anxiety too (now on SSRIs), and as someone who's been in those exact same shoes I can confirm it.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:27 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Eh. Hope so!

I know so. I struggled with anxiety too (now on SSRIs), and as someone who's been in those exact same shoes I can confirm it.

Really? Thanks!

Wait, have I talked about the anxiety issues I get sometimes here?
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