is Valentines dumb?

[The Holy Therns]

Nah, it's fine. It's not like you have to do anything commercial just to express love for a day.

But that being said, they always end up selling these lovely chocolates that I can share with my one true love - me.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes. Even when I didn't leave the house, I can't remember a Valentines Day that wasn't awful.

In school my incel mates called it VD. It was funnier then ...

(Open and shut case for a poll, btw)

I don't think you should leave the trust of Valentine's day for Incels. Incels are notorious for ruining any day related to love.

I stopped reading after "ruining".

[The Huskar Social Union]

Eh its alright, i might be more into it if i actually had someone i could celebrate it with lmao

Nah, it's fine. It's not like you have to do anything commercial just to express love for a day.

But that being said, they always end up selling these lovely chocolates that I can share with my one true love - me.

Holy Therns: "This is for you my love!"
Also Holy Therns:"Oh thank you dear! OM NOM"

[The Holy Therns]

Eh its alright, i might be more into it if i actually had someone i could celebrate it with lmao

Nah, it's fine. It's not like you have to do anything commercial just to express love for a day.

But that being said, they always end up selling these lovely chocolates that I can share with my one true love - me.

Holy Therns: "This is for you my love!"
Also Holy Therns:"Oh thank you dear! OM NOM"

Nah, we don't talk that much in this relationship.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Yes. Even when I didn't leave the house, I can't remember a Valentines Day that wasn't awful.

In school my incel mates called it VD. It was funnier then ...

(Open and shut case for a poll, btw)

I don't think you should leave the trust of Valentine's day for Incels. Incels are notorious for ruining any day related to love.

The attractive girls get a dozen cards. Not-so-attractive girls might be happily surprised to get none. Most people get fucking nothing, unless some kind soul has organized a "secret santa" thing.

It's about sex, not "love", and maybe you should consider that if the tradition is so fragile that it can be ruined by incels looking mopey, it wasn't much good to start with.

[Crabaiaia]

I don't think you should leave the trust of Valentine's day for Incels. Incels are notorious for ruining any day related to love.

The attractive girls get a dozen cards. Not-so-attractive girls might be happily surprised to get none. Most people get fucking nothing, unless some kind soul has organized a "secret santa" thing.

It's about sex, not "love", and maybe you should consider that if the tradition is so fragile that it can be ruined by incels looking mopey, it wasn't much good to start with.

That's not true, I have seen lots of very unattractive people getting dates or the S word that shall not be said.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Eh its alright, i might be more into it if i actually had someone i could celebrate it with lmao


Holy Therns: "This is for you my love!"
Also Holy Therns:"Oh thank you dear! OM NOM"

Nah, we don't talk that much in this relationship.

[The Holy Therns]

Whatever happened to nice, traditional Valentine's meat?

[Crabaiaia]

A-Series-of-Tubes,

I know you are gonna turn this conversation about unattractive people getting dates as "oh they were leftovers after dating the handsome jerks or beautiful dumb bitches".

I can first hand attest, that a lot of girls that I found unattractive, actually have dating partners and they are younger than 30, and they never had a partner before hand.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

The attractive girls get a dozen cards. Not-so-attractive girls might be happily surprised to get one. Most people get fucking nothing, unless some kind soul has organized a "secret santa" thing.

It's about sex, not "love", and maybe you should consider that if the tradition is so fragile that it can be ruined by incels looking mopey, it wasn't much good to start with.

That's not true, I have seen lots of very unattractive people getting dates or the S word that shall not be said.

You've had your chance to tell me what's good about Valentine's Day.

[Crabaiaia]

That's not true, I have seen lots of very unattractive people getting dates or the S word that shall not be said.

You've had your chance to tell me what's good about Valentine's Day.

Don't you see that most of the people celebrating Valentine's Day are actually more romantic than sexual? Have you ever been to a Discord server run by girls? Or are most of your social interaction on incel forums?

[The Blaatschapen]

You've had your chance to tell me what's good about Valentine's Day.

Don't you see that most of the people celebrating Valentine's Day are actually more romantic than sexual? Have you ever been to a Discord server run by girls? Or are most of your social interaction on incel forums?

I haven't been on a discord run by girls. Can you send me a few links?

[Silvedania]

Of course Valentine’s Day feels overrated. The ever-evolving, mutating, vicious creature we know as commercialization has taken over every part of our lives. Modern society’s over-emphasis on hollow sentimentalism, to make up for a lack of true charity, means that flowers, chocolates, and well-written cards — gestures that might actually hold meaning — feel cheap and obligatory. Couples are indoctrinated by bootleg Hallmark brands and chocolate companies set upon making this year “the most special one yet.”

There is no recognition of personhood in Modern Romance. Check off the boxes, take her to dinner maybe, get her a card that says “Will you be my Valentine?” and maybe she won’t be upset at you for “not caring.” Right? It’s cheap, it’s fake, it’s vapid.

But actual Valentine’s Day, in which we celebrate love (the greatest reality there is), is anything but vapid. Love is so integral to humankind that it should be celebrated as much as possible. Sentimental? Yes. True? Yes. Rhetorical Questions? Also yes.

And that is why Valentine’s Day, though surely overly commercialized, kitschy, and sometimes downright stupid, has at its core something quite beautiful, which is the cry of the human spirit to love and be loved.

First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.

Love illuminates our vision, bringing us to see people as they truly are and how we ought to see them. Love allows us to see others’ dignity and intrinsic goodness as created beings. Love converts our very being: when we are in love, don’t we yearn to see our beloved’s face light up when we walk in a room? Our entire disposition is changed.

Love points us towards the Divine, the ultimate reality of love: God. Behind the youth pastor’s whisper-yell of “God really, like, totally, wants to hang out. Cuz he loves you,” is a very real, vertical connection between the creature and his Creator. Philosopher Jean Luc-Marian actually argues that we only speak of God in terms of the totality of love, the only indescribable thing we can begin to imagine. Not to get overly philosophical or theological here (probably too late), but there is significance in setting aside a day in which we contemplate love.

And how do we contemplate love? By spending time with those we love, whether it be with the Creator, friend, or significant other. Practically, Valentine’s Day gives couples a specific date on which they can make sure to be together. Mothers and fathers have a reason to go on a date. Valentine’s Day is the day in which we celebrate love, which connects all reality.

Practical parts of Valentine’s Day are also underrated. For the parents of people born in November, it’s a great day. For middle schoolers it’s a memorable time of social anxiety.

There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.
But what do you think? Is Valentine dumb?

Valentine's Day is kinda dumb, but Valentine Z isn't dumb at all.

I was gonna say the same exact thing lol.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

You've had your chance to tell me what's good about Valentine's Day.

Don't you see that most of the people celebrating Valentine's Day are actually more romantic than sexual? Have you ever been to a Discord server run by girls? Or are most of your social interaction on incel forums?

When did this become about me? I'm leaving the thread.

[Crabaiaia]

Don't you see that most of the people celebrating Valentine's Day are actually more romantic than sexual? Have you ever been to a Discord server run by girls? Or are most of your social interaction on incel forums?

I haven't been on a discord run by girls. Can you send me a few links?

https://discord.gg/ and https://discord.gg/9JJKDGE

Run by one youtuber and her girlfriend.

[Ethel mermania]

Valentines day is fine, it gives folks something to talk about during the incredibly suckie winter.

Also

I dont mind a day to focus on love and a reminder that love is important to us all.

[Crabaiaia]

Don't you see that most of the people celebrating Valentine's Day are actually more romantic than sexual? Have you ever been to a Discord server run by girls? Or are most of your social interaction on incel forums?

When did this become about me? I'm leaving the thread.

Well you just said Valentine's Day is about sex when there's rarely any

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Personally I hate it. Not only due to commercialization but also doe to the fact that I envy every single person who celebrates it.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I don't know the religious part, but a day that makes up for sex cannot be dumb. Why do you think there are wars in the Middle East ?

[Crabaiaia]

I don't know the religious part, but a day that makes up for sex cannot be dumb

Hmm... Can't tell if that's sarcastic

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I don't know the religious part, but a day that makes up for sex cannot be dumb

Hmm... Can't tell if that's sarcastic

Wars are erupting in the Middle East over sexual repression, because political Islam is against all that is beautiful. That's why I think Valentine's Day is a beautiful day. every day you can have sex is beautiful.

[Old Tyrannia]

Yes.

I did write a fairly lengthy post explaining why I dislike Valentine's Day, at least in its modern cultural expression, because of the way businesses and corporations exploit it to squeeze more money out of people, the shaming of people who don't like it by painting them as jealous singletons whether or not that is accurate and the shallow sentimentalism not reflecting the way I was taught to express love in my upbringing, but NationStates ate it and now I can't be bothered to write it out again so I'm just going to say Valentine's Day sucks and you can shove your chocolates and roses where sun doesn't shine.

[Indolos]

Yes

[Arisyan]

nah, its only because of heavy commercialization it has lost its charm and nothing more. And there is no reason to make it a religious holiday, given that it has become so mainstream its basically like Christmas now.

*rants on how valentines day would become way better if capitalism was gotten rid of*

[The Free Joy State]

Yes.

I did write a fairly lengthy post explaining why I dislike Valentine's Day, at least in its modern cultural expression, because of the way businesses and corporations exploit it to squeeze more money out of people, the shaming of people who don't like it by painting them as jealous singletons whether or not that is accurate and the shallow sentimentalism not reflecting the way I was taught to express love in my upbringing, but NationStates ate it and now I can't be bothered to write it out again so I'm just going to say Valentine's Day sucks and you can shove your chocolates and roses where sun doesn't shine.

Do I have to? Roses... thorns... ouch...

The problem with Valentine's Day is the over-commercialised element of it: when (back in school) kids became obsessed with how many cards they got, and -- in adulthood -- become obsessed with getting the perfect and most expensive gift (as though love is only love if it has a gift-tag). I think advertising that panders to our acquisitional instincts is the problem.

A day to think about love, and the one you love (which needn't be costly to be meaningful), is -- itself -- not silly at all.