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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:35 pm

Of course Valentine’s Day feels overrated. The ever-evolving, mutating, vicious creature we know as commercialization has taken over every part of our lives. Modern society’s over-emphasis on hollow sentimentalism, to make up for a lack of true charity, means that flowers, chocolates, and well-written cards — gestures that might actually hold meaning — feel cheap and obligatory. Couples are indoctrinated by bootleg Hallmark brands and chocolate companies set upon making this year “the most special one yet.”

There is no recognition of personhood in Modern Romance. Check off the boxes, take her to dinner maybe, get her a card that says “Will you be my Valentine?” and maybe she won’t be upset at you for “not caring.” Right? It’s cheap, it’s fake, it’s vapid.

But actual Valentine’s Day, in which we celebrate love (the greatest reality there is), is anything but vapid. Love is so integral to humankind that it should be celebrated as much as possible. Sentimental? Yes. True? Yes. Rhetorical Questions? Also yes.

And that is why Valentine’s Day, though surely overly commercialized, kitschy, and sometimes downright stupid, has at its core something quite beautiful, which is the cry of the human spirit to love and be loved.

First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.

Love illuminates our vision, bringing us to see people as they truly are and how we ought to see them. Love allows us to see others’ dignity and intrinsic goodness as created beings. Love converts our very being: when we are in love, don’t we yearn to see our beloved’s face light up when we walk in a room? Our entire disposition is changed.

Love points us towards the Divine, the ultimate reality of love: God. Behind the youth pastor’s whisper-yell of “God really, like, totally, wants to hang out. Cuz he loves you,” is a very real, vertical connection between the creature and his Creator. Philosopher Jean Luc-Marian actually argues that we only speak of God in terms of the totality of love, the only indescribable thing we can begin to imagine. Not to get overly philosophical or theological here (probably too late), but there is significance in setting aside a day in which we contemplate love.

And how do we contemplate love? By spending time with those we love, whether it be with the Creator, friend, or significant other. Practically, Valentine’s Day gives couples a specific date on which they can make sure to be together. Mothers and fathers have a reason to go on a date. Valentine’s Day is the day in which we celebrate love, which connects all reality.

Practical parts of Valentine’s Day are also underrated. For the parents of people born in November, it’s a great day. For middle schoolers it’s a memorable time of social anxiety.

There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.

But what do you think? Is Valentine's dumb?


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Postby Drew Durrnil » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:40 pm

Nevertopia wrote:Of course Valentine’s Day feels overrated. The ever-evolving, mutating, vicious creature we know as commercialization has taken over every part of our lives. Modern society’s over-emphasis on hollow sentimentalism, to make up for a lack of true charity, means that flowers, chocolates, and well-written cards — gestures that might actually hold meaning — feel cheap and obligatory. Couples are indoctrinated by bootleg Hallmark brands and chocolate companies set upon making this year “the most special one yet.”

There is no recognition of personhood in Modern Romance. Check off the boxes, take her to dinner maybe, get her a card that says “Will you be my Valentine?” and maybe she won’t be upset at you for “not caring.” Right? It’s cheap, it’s fake, it’s vapid.

But actual Valentine’s Day, in which we celebrate love (the greatest reality there is), is anything but vapid. Love is so integral to humankind that it should be celebrated as much as possible. Sentimental? Yes. True? Yes. Rhetorical Questions? Also yes.

And that is why Valentine’s Day, though surely overly commercialized, kitschy, and sometimes downright stupid, has at its core something quite beautiful, which is the cry of the human spirit to love and be loved.

First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.

Love illuminates our vision, bringing us to see people as they truly are and how we ought to see them. Love allows us to see others’ dignity and intrinsic goodness as created beings. Love converts our very being: when we are in love, don’t we yearn to see our beloved’s face light up when we walk in a room? Our entire disposition is changed.

Love points us towards the Divine, the ultimate reality of love: God. Behind the youth pastor’s whisper-yell of “God really, like, totally, wants to hang out. Cuz he loves you,” is a very real, vertical connection between the creature and his Creator. Philosopher Jean Luc-Marian actually argues that we only speak of God in terms of the totality of love, the only indescribable thing we can begin to imagine. Not to get overly philosophical or theological here (probably too late), but there is significance in setting aside a day in which we contemplate love.

And how do we contemplate love? By spending time with those we love, whether it be with the Creator, friend, or significant other. Practically, Valentine’s Day gives couples a specific date on which they can make sure to be together. Mothers and fathers have a reason to go on a date. Valentine’s Day is the day in which we celebrate love, which connects all reality.

Practical parts of Valentine’s Day are also underrated. For the parents of people born in November, it’s a great day. For middle schoolers it’s a memorable time of social anxiety.

There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.
But what do you think? Is Valentine dumb?

Valentine's Day is kinda dumb, but Valentine Z isn't dumb at all. :)
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Postby Crabaiaia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:41 pm

Well not really, it was originally meant to commemorate St. Valentine but ofc since some modernists want to denounce Christianity because of it's "bigotry" they had to make it about romance.

Or maybe some other origin I dunno, anyways, I think it's dumb to use the day of a Christian Saint to commemorate a Pagan God (Cupid), like yeah you can commemorate Cupid but please give a date that doesn't overlap a Christian Saint's day
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:49 pm

Crabaiaia wrote:but please give a date that doesn't overlap a Christian Saint's day


I'm sure the pagans will be happy to oblige once you remove Easter and Christmas from their holy days ;)
Assuming there actually are days in the year not dedicated to some saint.
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Postby Crabaiaia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:51 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Crabaiaia wrote:but please give a date that doesn't overlap a Christian Saint's day


I'm sure the pagans will be happy to oblige once you remove Easter and Christmas from their holy days ;)
Assuming there actually are days in the year not dedicated to some saint.

Hmmm... I think I would be okay if the Church moves St. Valentine's day instead. That would be a nice compromise
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:55 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:There are historical, philosophical, and practical implications to Valentine’s Day, all of which offer real goods for humankind. Love is so basic of a good that even the secular world appreciates it by setting aside a day. Don’t be anti-love. Appreciate the real, underrated, Valentine’s Day.
But what do you think? Is Valentine dumb?

Valentine's Day is kinda dumb, but Valentine Z isn't dumb at all. :)


i never said that. :roll:
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:01 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Valentine's Day is kinda dumb, but Valentine Z isn't dumb at all. :)


i never said that. :roll:

Just a reminder :) :hug:
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:47 am

No.

St. Valentine would secretly marry men and women who were prohibited from marrying each other. He was a hero, it's not dumb.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:49 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
i never said that. :roll:

Just a reminder :) :hug:

aww r u his boyfriend?
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:50 am

Sundiata wrote:No.

St. Valentine would secretly marry men and women who were prohibited from marrying each other. He was a hero, it's not dumb.


but is valentine today dumb? with all its mandatory gift givings and hallmark cards does valentine really live up to its namesake?
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:55 am

Crabaiaia wrote:Well not really, it was originally meant to commemorate St. Valentine but ofc since some modernists want to denounce Christianity because of it's "bigotry" they had to make it about romance.

Or maybe some other origin I dunno, anyways, I think it's dumb to use the day of a Christian Saint to commemorate a Pagan God (Cupid), like yeah you can commemorate Cupid but please give a date that doesn't overlap a Christian Saint's day


Isn't pretty much every day the day of a Saint? There's rather a lot of them these days.

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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:57 am

Albrenia wrote:
Crabaiaia wrote:Well not really, it was originally meant to commemorate St. Valentine but ofc since some modernists want to denounce Christianity because of it's "bigotry" they had to make it about romance.

Or maybe some other origin I dunno, anyways, I think it's dumb to use the day of a Christian Saint to commemorate a Pagan God (Cupid), like yeah you can commemorate Cupid but please give a date that doesn't overlap a Christian Saint's day


Isn't pretty much every day the day of a Saint? There's rather a lot of them these days.

i suppose given enough time, every day can have a saint.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:59 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:No.

St. Valentine would secretly marry men and women who were prohibited from marrying each other. He was a hero, it's not dumb.


but is valentine today dumb? with all its mandatory gift givings and hallmark cards does valentine really live up to its namesake?

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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:20 am

I don't believe that Valentine's day is "dumb", for the modern celebration of the day is to spread love to your spouse. Of course people who are yet to find someone special will feel left out and resentful (I fully understand the feeling, I'm not in a relationship yet), but that comes with most things in life, doesn't it? That feeling of not being included in a highly popular event/day, with all of the marketing and social importance of the day, is a little depressing.

My main problem with Valentines day and major holidays in the Anglosphere is the hyper-consumerist attitude to it. How many times do you hear about the latest sale on overpriced jewellery for your girl (or guy, I won't discriminate), or the new and improved power tool that you can get at your local hardware store for your guy (or girl, see previous statement)? It gets a little ridiculous to say the least, and it generates a feeling that if you don't get The Thing for your loved one, then you have failed and should be upset about it. It's madness, and quite frankly a little disturbing to see so many people buy into the narrative that it's essential to purchase all of this guff on one day.

But in summary, I don't think Valentines day is dumb, but the corporatisation around the day needs to relax... indefinitely
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am

Nevertopia wrote:First, some context. Many forget that St. Valentine celebrated forbidden sacramental marriages, restored sight to a blind girl, converted her father and his household, and was a martyr. In other words, St. Valentine was based. Additionally, the blind girl’s father, the judge of a Roman province, released the Christian inmates under his jurisdiction after his conversion to Christianity. What a wonderful analogy for the reality of love.


Wait, were they inmates because they were Christian (ie. persecuted for their faith?) Or were they inmates for different reasons, and just happened to be Christian.

If the latter, then releasing them is not even remotely an analogy of the reality of love. In that case I'd argue it is more likely to be corruption, nepotism, etc.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:10 am

Yes.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:52 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Just a reminder :) :hug:

aww r u his boyfriend?


Knock it off, Nevertopia. I've already given you a warning for flaming in F7 today; I'd be grateful if you didn't bring your F7 sniping to NSG.


New haven america wrote:Yes.

I thought the mods banned the [Yes or No] trend?


In this case easily solved by my editing [yes or no] out of the thread title. It's topical, so with that edit done I'll let the thread continue.

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Postby Crabaiaia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:55 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:aww r u his boyfriend?


Knock it off, Nevertopia. I've already given you a warning for flaming in F7 today; I'd be grateful if you didn't bring your F7 sniping to NSG.


New haven america wrote:Yes.

I thought the mods banned the [Yes or No] trend?


In this case easily solved by my editing [yes or no] out of the thread title. It's topical, so with that edit done I'll let the thread continue.

I think you should give him another warning tbh, he has been bullying a lot of people recently.
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Crabaiaia wrote:I think you should give him another warning tbh, he has been bullying a lot of people recently.


If you want to make a formal report, please do so in the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=498104

NSG isn't the place to discuss moderation decisions.

Back on-topic, please.

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Crabaiaia wrote:I think you should give him another warning tbh, he has been bullying a lot of people recently.


If you want to make a formal report, please do so in the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=498104

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Back on-topic, please.

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Valentines isn't dumb, it's just the name of it, if you want a Valentine's Day then commemorate St. Valentine not Cupid. Otherwise just call it Cupid Day.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:00 am

Yes. Even when I didn't leave the house, I can't remember a Valentines Day that wasn't awful.

In school my incel mates called it VD. It was funnier then ...

(Open and shut case for a poll, btw)
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Postby Crabaiaia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:01 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Yes. Even when I didn't leave the house, I can't remember a Valentines Day that wasn't awful.

In school my incel mates called it VD. It was funnier then ...

(Open and shut case for a poll, btw)

I don't think you should leave the trust of Valentine's day for Incels. Incels are notorious for ruining any day related to love.
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