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It would lead to a Congressional crisis if they did, at least without Harris directing proceedings. Overruling the parliamentarian's interpretation of the rules ultimately risks de-legitimising the rules themselves.


and Republicans surely play by the rules. They keep looking for ways to win elections by cheating and making it harder to vote.

I got news for you, that is what they say about the Democrats. The Republicans are not Political Saints. The Democrats are not Political Saints.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:43 pm

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/dr ... line-sales

There are apparently 6 Dr. Seuss books that aren't going to be published anymore because Dr. Seuss' estate thinks it has racist imagery. I do genuinely wonder if over long run, whether old copies of the discontinued books will become a valuable or limited commodity/asset? People who already have some copies, they've already priced it up to be hundreds or thousands each in online auctions/sell pages. It follows that if suppy/demand goes as expected, that the books will become rarer overtime and command a higher price as collectables or for those who want to buy it.

Is it too late to buy those books in bulk and try to resell for massive profits?
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:There are apparently 6 Dr. Seuss books that aren't going to be published anymore because Dr. Seuss' estate thinks it has racist imagery. I do genuinely wonder if over long run, whether old copies of the discontinued books will become a valuable or limited commodity/asset? People who already have some copies, they've already priced it up to be hundreds or thousands each. It follows that if suppy/demand goes as expected, that the books will become rarer overtime and command a higher price as collectables or for those who want to buy it.

Is it too late to buy those books in bulk and try to resell for massive profits?

"neonazis collecting limited edition dr seuss books with racist content" sounds like trump-era postmodern madlibs in the worst and also the funniest possible way
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Not surprised as his district is likely going to become much bluer after redistricting.

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Saiwania wrote:There are apparently 6 Dr. Seuss books that aren't going to be published anymore because Dr. Seuss' estate thinks it has racist imagery. I do genuinely wonder if over long run, whether old copies of the discontinued books will become a valuable or limited commodity/asset? People who already have some copies, they've already priced it up to be hundreds or thousands each. It follows that if suppy/demand goes as expected, that the books will become rarer overtime and command a higher price as collectables or for those who want to buy it.

Is it too late to buy those books in bulk and try to resell for massive profits?

"neonazis collecting limited edition dr seuss books with racist content" sounds like trump-era postmodern madlibs in the worst and also the funniest possible way


It's also a bit ironic when you remember Dr. Seuss made s lot of anti-Nazi and anti-racist propaganda during the war.
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Most watched gubernatorial race next year will be this if Cuomo holds off a primary challenge.

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Greater Cesnica wrote:Won't go anywhere.


He legally ignore it as he is now a private citizen and if compelled to testify and refuses to show up he can and likely would be held in contempt.

No I mean- I'm not sure it will pay off.
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and Republicans surely play by the rules. They keep looking for ways to win elections by cheating and making it harder to vote.

I got news for you, that is what they say about the Democrats. The Republicans are not Political Saints. The Democrats are not Political Saints.


To bad NOBODY here has suggested the demos were saints.

Do they have any data or facts the demos are trying to cheat? Simply saying “it’s my opinion” is just being ignorant. Even then how many times have the democrats filed 70+ frivolous suits to overturn elections? Wanting to hang the VP because he didn’t overturn the election results? Attack the capital? Kill and maim policemen?......

They are just looking better at the moment due to the attack on the capitol.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:21 pm

Saiwania wrote:https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/dr-seuss-books-canceled-worth-online-sales

There are apparently 6 Dr. Seuss books that aren't going to be published anymore because Dr. Seuss' estate thinks it has racist imagery. I do genuinely wonder if over long run, whether old copies of the discontinued books will become a valuable or limited commodity/asset? People who already have some copies, they've already priced it up to be hundreds or thousands each in online auctions/sell pages. It follows that if suppy/demand goes as expected, that the books will become rarer overtime and command a higher price as collectables or for those who want to buy it.

Is it too late to buy those books in bulk and try to resell for massive profits?


Nope. Your view is what normally happens. Vultures move in and try to gouge people. Most will end up with books that won’t be worth much. Two of the books are known and the others are more obscure. Most likely the “I’m offended crowd” has been complaining to the estate and they decided to respond. It would be one thing if the characters mentioned would out of line with the rest of the drawings or the central characters of a story (ie sambo).
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Punished UMN wrote:This is essentially the argument that Stalinists use to argue that Stalin is one of the best leaders in Russian history.

What a fundamentally absurd comparison. You're making these points and in each case leaving out the most important details of FDR's record-- you know what the difference between him and Stalin is, in this case? Stalin killed millions of the Soviet civilians he interned; FDR did not (even though it was still wrong and people did die because of the terrible conditions). You really don't think that's a worthwhile distinction to draw, or that it's reasonable for that fact to differentiate our historical interpretations of their records?

And? That does not excuse that FDR committed arguably the biggest human rights violation in US history, in direct violation of the Constitution. His achievements don't negate that he put his own people in concentration camps, auctioned off their property, and deported tens of thousands of them for dubious reasons.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Why, Trumo, why!?!? :p

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I thought the bane of your existence was midgets? :lol:

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I thought the bane of your existence was midgets? :lol:

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:59 pm

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Can't say I agree with that tbqh. There's a lot of places (parts of California, New York etc) where 80k a year genuinely isn't a ton of money. I'm pretty sure that's less than the average income in a place like San Francisco so are we just cutting them off from aid entirely?


Wha....the demos buckled again? I am shocked...shocked I say!

No it’s not. Average rent in SF is about 3K and that includes not so safe areas. My old flat in the bay area was about 1800 (about 17 years ago). Now it goes for 3600. It has not been changed that much. It is still a fire death trap (requires an explanation not worthy of this thread).

Income levels have not advanced that much.

There is no way I will vote retrumplican. The only way I will probably vote demo next elections is if the ex-president or pseudo version of him runs.....

This is another case of where they look at the income levels and view it on average across the country. Sure I used to make 6 figures; the cost of living was well in line with that. I was not living the lifestyles of the rich and famous.


I really doubt it was within Biden's discretion to do otherwise. Particularly by raising the threshold anywhere, to above $100 K.

High and low living costs have a huge partisan split. Indexing the payments just by regional rent would favor owner-occupiers, but also city and suburban over small city and rural people. And it would favor blue states (CA and NY) over red states. Doing it without the deliberation and review of Congress would be simply a disaster.

Ifreann had a better idea: means testing. Owner-occupiers have a significant asset, and even if they have no other more-liquid assets they could take a second mortgage to get by. However, this is still something that Congress would have to do, and Biden shouldn't try to bolt it on.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:02 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Ifreann had a better idea: means testing. Owner-occupiers have a significant asset, and even if they have no other more-liquid assets they could take a second mortgage to get by. However, this is still something that Congress would have to do, and Biden shouldn't try to bolt it on.

They simply should not means test it or phase it out because that misses the point of "stimulus" and instead confuses it for relief.

Either we want people to buy stuff, or not.
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