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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:49 pm

Galloism wrote:If you were being charged in a murder case, wouldn’t you want someone who had defended multiple murderers before?


I'd prefer "successfully defended multiple alleged murderers" :p

Sure I would. I guess I'd need a GoFundMe (or where they the ones who decided helping out alleged criminals was bad for their brand?) Also considering I'm apparently "indefensible" I doubt a lot of internet good guys will be laying money down.

BTW, are we sure Cuomo is even paying for this lawyer? Surely it's someone else's business if he's using personal donations or Dem party money?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:53 pm

https://twitter.com/RepKathleenRice/sta ... 39015?s=20

Congresswoman Kathleen Rice has called on Cuomo to resign.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/RepKathleenRice/status/1366558621232939015?s=20

Congresswoman Kathleen Rice has called on Cuomo to resign.


Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/RepKathleenRice/status/1366558621232939015?s=20

Congresswoman Kathleen Rice has called on Cuomo to resign.


Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.


Reading that rubbish only gives it credence. If Cuomo does go his replacement would be an improvement.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.


Reading that rubbish only gives it credence. If Cuomo does go his replacement would be an improvement.


That would be the Lieutenant Gov, Kathy Hotchul, I guess?
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:24 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/RepKathleenRice/status/1366558621232939015?s=20

Congresswoman Kathleen Rice has called on Cuomo to resign.


Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.

Fun fact: The CIA invented the term Conspiracy Theory to discredit anyone who had any suspicion that the CIA was being evil during The Cold War as crackpot lunatics.

It worked.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:29 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.

Fun fact: The CIA invented the term Conspiracy Theory to discredit anyone who had any suspicion that the CIA was being evil as crackpot lunatics.

It worked.


Odd that I've never noticed the word 'piracy' in the middle of 'Conspiracy Theory'

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:30 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Reading that rubbish only gives it credence. If Cuomo does go his replacement would be an improvement.


That would be the Lieutenant Gov, Kathy Hotchul, I guess?


Yes. The big question would be be if she ran for a full term which is likely. AG Tish James is a likely gubernatorial candidate but I don't think she'd want to primary Hochul. I could see her facing some opposition in a primary but most serious contenders would likely stay out.

If Hochul didn't;t run which seems improbable James would likely clear the field and would almost certainly win the primary and General.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:57 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Funny conspiracy theory. I admit CTs are a fun waste of time for me. I recently read one where the Trumplicans are behind this as Cuomo became the voice of information and reason for the pandemic in the US. It made the expresident look bad so he has to go.

Fun fact: The CIA invented the term Conspiracy Theory to discredit anyone who had any suspicion that the CIA was being evil during The Cold War as crackpot lunatics.

It worked.

Not surprised, if you lived in the Warsaw Pact region you just get censored
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:09 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:New York and Atlanta are in a race to see who can throw Trump in prison first


Well, there are five probes into Trump being led by independently elected investigators. Two are in New York; two in Georgia; one in DC. The biggest are New York's cases. I would imagine if Trump and his family are charged that Trump Supporters- and the Republican Party in general- will lose its shit, especially since most of these charges would be State crimes, which cannot be pardoned. Still, I do think Trump would probably run for President even if prison: the GOP is just crazy enough that they may select him. Yeah, it's come to that point...

Edit: Now, I didn't watch CPAC but yeah, this is concerning:

As local and state Republicans seek to narrow access to the polls, Trump, who tried to force officials in Georgia to steal the election for him, called on the GOP to outlaw mail-in and early voting to ensure "honest elections" and made racially motivated insinuations about irregularities in Detroit and Philadelphia. He demanded citizen tests for ballot access, said voting should only take place on Election Day and called for independent judges to be barred from adjudicating election disputes.
Citizenship test, I suppose?
Given I know some people that do believe people should take a test to vote (IE, your views on political issues to how government works), that last line I do fear many in Conservative circles will support. That is some draconian shit right there.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:13 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well, there are five probes into Trump being led by independently elected investigators. Two are in New York; two in Georgia; one in DC. The biggest are New York's cases. I would imagine if Trump and his family are charged that Trump Supporters- and the Republican Party in general- will lose its shit, especially since most of these charges would be State crimes, which cannot be pardoned. Still, I do think Trump would probably run for President even if prison: the GOP is just crazy enough that they may select him. Yeah, it's come to that point...

Edit: Now, I didn't watch CPAC but yeah, this is concerning:

As local and state Republicans seek to narrow access to the polls, Trump, who tried to force officials in Georgia to steal the election for him, called on the GOP to outlaw mail-in and early voting to ensure "honest elections" and made racially motivated insinuations about irregularities in Detroit and Philadelphia. He demanded citizen tests for ballot access, said voting should only take place on Election Day and called for independent judges to be barred from adjudicating election disputes.
Citizenship test, I suppose?
Given I know some people that do believe people should take a test to vote (IE, your views on political issues to how government works), that last line I do fear many in Conservative circles will support. That is some draconian shit right there.

All of what he advocated for would be struck down in court as unconstitutional. A test to vote definitely would be.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
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All of what he advocated for would be struck down in court as unconstitutional. A test to vote definitely would be.

I mean that I interpreted it as proposing proof of citizenship, rather than a literacy test or something. I just messed up the formatting.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:41 am

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
San Lumen wrote:All of what he advocated for would be struck down in court as unconstitutional. A test to vote definitely would be.

I mean that I interpreted it as proposing proof of citizenship, rather than a literacy test or something. I just messed up the formatting.


Even proof of citizenship is consusstutional, since states decide who goes on the rolls, not the Feds. Allowing that but having an extra Federal test at the polling booth, definitely sounds like a no-no.

If a law federalizing the registration of voters and formalizing residency times etc, was actually possible, I'd let him have a citizenship test. I guess I'd like legal residents who are just as much affected by governance, to have voting rights too. But even without that, it would rule out felon disenfranchisement and inter-state migrant disenfranchisement. It would be worth it.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:02 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:New York and Atlanta are in a race to see who can throw Trump in prison first


Well, there are five probes into Trump being led by independently elected investigators. Two are in New York; two in Georgia; one in DC. The biggest are New York's cases. I would imagine if Trump and his family are charged that Trump Supporters- and the Republican Party in general- will lose its shit, especially since most of these charges would be State crimes, which cannot be pardoned. Still, I do think Trump would probably run for President even if prison: the GOP is just crazy enough that they may select him. Yeah, it's come to that point...

Edit: Now, I didn't watch CPAC but yeah, this is concerning:

As local and state Republicans seek to narrow access to the polls, Trump, who tried to force officials in Georgia to steal the election for him, called on the GOP to outlaw mail-in and early voting to ensure "honest elections" and made racially motivated insinuations about irregularities in Detroit and Philadelphia. He demanded citizen tests for ballot access, said voting should only take place on Election Day and called for independent judges to be barred from adjudicating election disputes.

Given I know some people that do believe people should take a test to vote (IE, your views on political issues to how government works), that last line I do fear many in Conservative circles will support. That is some draconian shit right there.


Poll tests, that thing we abolished after the Civil rights movement.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Ideally what would happen is instead of a catch all $15 minimum wage (which will be a massive boon in some places but not make a massive impact in others), is a federal mandate that requires a living wage for all employees based upon their family status and the local conditions since some states will be cheaper than others.

I agree with this approach. The current one-size-fits-all approach isn’t working and we need to change it so that we are screwing over the little guy

I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.


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Is he trying to make people hate him?

He's hiring a lawyer with relevant experience. Seems only sensible to me. Besides, people already hate him. Being hated and staying out of prison beats being hated and getting convicted.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:16 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I agree with this approach. The current one-size-fits-all approach isn’t working and we need to change it so that we are screwing over the little guy

I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.


Inescapably I think. The assumption that a "family" involves one or more people being provided for by a "breadwinner" should not be given any more longevity. Children in education should get the state's full support, and "dependent spouses" too, on the expectation that they're doing more than their share of parenting.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I agree with this approach. The current one-size-fits-all approach isn’t working and we need to change it so that we are screwing over the little guy

I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.


San Lumen wrote:Is he trying to make people hate him?

He's hiring a lawyer with relevant experience. Seems only sensible to me. Besides, people already hate him. Being hated and staying out of prison beats being hated and getting convicted.

Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.



He's hiring a lawyer with relevant experience. Seems only sensible to me. Besides, people already hate him. Being hated and staying out of prison beats being hated and getting convicted.

Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.


I mean, yeah, who else would you hire? It's not like a property tax lawyer is gonna help here.
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A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Galloism wrote:If you were being charged in a murder case, wouldn’t you want someone who had defended multiple murderers before?


I'd prefer "successfully defended multiple alleged murderers" :p

Sure I would. I guess I'd need a GoFundMe (or where they the ones who decided helping out alleged criminals was bad for their brand?) Also considering I'm apparently "indefensible" I doubt a lot of internet good guys will be laying money down.

BTW, are we sure Cuomo is even paying for this lawyer? Surely it's someone else's business if he's using personal donations or Dem party money?

Sure, but if you were being charged with murder, wouldn't you want to hire OJ's lawyer?

Is it a bad thing if you DO hire OJ's lawyer? He would seem to have the skill and relevant experience for the charges you're being faced with.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:01 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Galloism wrote:The fact that there’s political optics to hiring a lawyer is a major problem, btw.

There’s a reason there’s lawyers that defend the indefensible. Everyone deserves fairness before the justice system. And sometimes they’re innocent.


Lawyers who defend the rich indefensible, should be required to work for the poor indefensible too. A "choice of lawyer" is meaningless if even a crummy lawyer is expensive.

Everyone deserves an equal chance of fairness before the justice system. Until that is so, to hell with only the rich deserving it.

I actually agree with this, but i don't consider it "bad optics" to hire a lawyer with relevant experience who worked another case involving an area of his practice.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:10 am

Galloism wrote:
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I'd prefer "successfully defended multiple alleged murderers" :p

Sure I would. I guess I'd need a GoFundMe (or where they the ones who decided helping out alleged criminals was bad for their brand?) Also considering I'm apparently "indefensible" I doubt a lot of internet good guys will be laying money down.

BTW, are we sure Cuomo is even paying for this lawyer? Surely it's someone else's business if he's using personal donations or Dem party money?

Sure, but if you were being charged with murder, wouldn't you want to hire OJ's lawyer?


Not exactly, but a good Australian defense lawyer, specializing in murder.

Could I have that lawyer, please? Not really says the government: every murderer wants that one, and front of the queue are the appeals cases.

Is it a bad thing if you DO hire OJ's lawyer? He would seem to have the skill and relevant experience for the charges you're being faced with.


Whether it's good or bad, it's impossible. I don't have millions of dollars like OJ had, or Cuomo has. Nor am I at all famous.

The rich have choices that the poor do not. Therefore all are NOT equal before the law.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:14 am

Galloism wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Lawyers who defend the rich indefensible, should be required to work for the poor indefensible too. A "choice of lawyer" is meaningless if even a crummy lawyer is expensive.

Everyone deserves an equal chance of fairness before the justice system. Until that is so, to hell with only the rich deserving it.

I actually agree with this, but i don't consider it "bad optics" to hire a lawyer with relevant experience who worked another case involving an area of his practice.


Yeah that's all me, banging on about things that aren't getting reformed any time soon.

Cuomo can have his choice of lawyer, of course. Those are the rules.
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