American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Dresderstan]

Or just forcibly remove him and the rest of Congress to get shit done.

How are you going to do that? The governor would appoint a Republican to replace him and Democrats no longer have a majority. What do you gain? Nothing.

Or just forcibly remove him and the rest of Congress to get shit done.

[San Lumen]

How are you going to do that? The governor would appoint a Republican to replace him and Democrats no longer have a majority. What do you gain? Nothing.

Or just forcibly remove him and the rest of Congress to get shit done.

How are you going to remove him and what are you going to do stop the Governor from appointing a Republican to replace him?

[Umeria]

Because a lot can change between now and then and threatening a primary with a more progressive candidate who would almost certainly lose achieves absolutely nothing other than guaranteeing you lose the seat.

It achieves getting the $15 minimum wage passed.

I feel like your not listening and more concerned with purity then getting anything done.

I don't care about purity at all. There are plenty of corporate senators who I have no qualms with at the moment because they support the $15 minimum wage. You, on the other hand, seem to care more about not hurting Joe Manchin's feelings.

Manchin isn't hard to understand. The reason he's a democrat that can win in WV is he brings jobs and federal aid consistently to his constituents. Every vote of his has a price, and if you pay his state enough, he'll vote for what you want.

Lumen can you at least agree with this guy?

[San Lumen]

Because a lot can change between now and then and threatening a primary with a more progressive candidate who would almost certainly lose achieves absolutely nothing other than guaranteeing you lose the seat.

It achieves getting the $15 minimum wage passed.

I feel like your not listening and more concerned with purity then getting anything done.

I don't care about purity at all. There are plenty of corporate senators who I have no qualms with at the moment because they support the $15 minimum wage. You, on the other hand, seem to care more about not hurting Joe Manchin's feelings.

No it doesn't. It achieves losing a seat.

Im more concerned about keeping power and governing than grinding things to halt over one thing. You act as if the minimum wage increase will never come up again.

[San Lumen]

https://nypost.com/2021/03/01/council-s ... mptroller/

One time NYC mayoral frontrunner and current speaker of the city council Corey Johnson is running for city comptroller.

[Dresderstan]

How are you going to remove him and what are you going to do stop the Governor from appointing a Republican to replace him?

Read between the lines, I'm not dumbing it down for you.

[Umeria]

No it doesn't. It achieves losing a seat.

What will happen is Manchin will agree to vote for it and keep his seat. If Manchin doesn't agree, the seat was already lost.

Im more concerned about keeping power and governing than grinding things to halt over one thing.

Biden talking to a senator is not grinding things to a halt, in fact I would call it proper governing.

You act as if the minimum wage increase will never come up again.

It won't, you can only do budget reconciliation three times remember?

[San Lumen]

How are you going to remove him and what are you going to do stop the Governor from appointing a Republican to replace him?

Read between the lines, I'm not dumbing it down for you.

Sounds like your advocating for criminal activity that would land you in prison.

No it doesn't. It achieves losing a seat.

What will happen is Manchin will agree to vote for it and keep his seat. If Manchin doesn't agree, the seat was already lost.

Im more concerned about keeping power and governing than grinding things to halt over one thing.

Biden talking to a senator is not grinding things to a halt, in fact I would call it proper governing.

You act as if the minimum wage increase will never come up again.

It won't, you can only do budget reconciliation three times remember?

The seat is likely lost in 2024 anyway given how close the election in 2018 was.

I have no problem with Biden speaking to him but he's not dumb enough to say you do this or we primary you.

[Umeria]

The seat is likely lost in 2024 anyway given how close the election in 2018 was.

If Manchin thinks he can win again, he'll want to not get primaried.

I have no problem with Biden speaking to him but he's not dumb enough to say you do this or we primary you.

So if you were Biden how would you convince him?

[Dresderstan]

Read between the lines, I'm not dumbing it down for you.

Sounds like your advocating for criminal activity that would land you in prison

And? You act like this is a first?

[San Lumen]

The seat is likely lost in 2024 anyway given how close the election in 2018 was.

If Manchin thinks he can win again, he'll want to not get primaried.

I have no problem with Biden speaking to him but he's not dumb enough to say you do this or we primary you.

So if you were Biden how would you convince him?

what part of a progressive democrat will not win in West Virginia is so hard for you to understand?!!

Offer him something such as infrastructure and something to help with coal waste and environmental damage that doesn't harm the economy.

[Umeria]

what part of a progressive democrat will not win in West Virginia is so hard for you to understand?!!

I agree with you! Manchin knows that and that's part of why he doesn't want to get primaried!

Offer him something such as infrastructure and something to help with coal waste and environmental damage that doesn't harm the economy.

Excellent, this is wonderful, I support it. Do you think it's bad that Biden isn't doing this?

[San Lumen]

what part of a progressive democrat will not win in West Virginia is so hard for you to understand?!!

I agree with you! Manchin knows that and that's part of why he doesn't want to get primaried!

Offer him something such as infrastructure and something to help with coal waste and environmental damage that doesn't harm the economy.

Excellent, this is wonderful, I support it. Do you think it's bad that Biden isn't doing this?

He had a primary challenge from a progressive in 2018 and won handily. Its unlikely you'd be successful in 2024.

How do you know he's not doing that? Plus even if Biden takes to him he can't legally force him to do anything.

[San Lumen]

Sounds like your advocating for criminal activity that would land you in prison

And? You act like this is a first?

Why are you advocating for crazy things like this? Its as if you agree with what happened January 6th.

[Senkaku]

I do hope you're right.

Manchin isn't hard to understand. The reason he's a democrat that can win in WV is he brings jobs and federal aid consistently to his constituents. Every vote of his has a price, and if you pay his state enough, he'll vote for what you want.

This theory will only be put to the test if Biden goes for a big infrastructure or defense bill that gives them opportunities to slide pork towards WV-- otherwise, we're left trying to square his opposition to a serious minimum wage increase with his supposed overriding concern with securing better economic conditions for his state. If he either votes for a big green energy bill on the basis of it having provisions to include oodles of funding for projects in WV (idk, building advanced geothermal plants or something), that'd be proof that he really will cross ideological lines if incentivized. If he gets a rider into a defense bill securing a nice pile of money for WV, and then in exchange the WH or his Congressional colleagues get a vote for some unrelated leftie priority, that'd be an indication as well. But so far, I don't think this analysis really has anything behind it, besides your meta-interpretation of the "kind of guy" Manchin represents in politics (which I'm not necessarily disagreeing with, but it's not enough to wave away concerns about him on its own).

That said, primarying him is such a stupid fucking idea. Who else is going to hold that seat, pray tell? I'd certainly much rather try the pork approach, which might work, than some farcical attempt to primary him and replace him with someone further left... in West Virginia.

[Umeria]

He had a primary challenge from a progressive in 2018 and won handily. Its unlikely you'd be successful in 2024.

The primary challenger wasn't supported by the president.

How do you know he's not doing that?

If he is that would be cool, I'll believe it when I see it.

Plus even if Biden takes to him he can't legally force him to do anything.

Yeah that's called negotiating.

That said, primarying him is such a stupid fucking idea. Who else is going to hold that seat, pray tell? I'd certainly much rather try the pork approach

Maybe do both? Carrot and a stick.

[The Marlborough]

Ideally what would happen is instead of a catch all $15 minimum wage (which will be a massive boon in some places but not make a massive impact in others), is a federal mandate that requires a living wage for all employees based upon their family status and the local conditions since some states will be cheaper than others.

[Senkaku]

By threatening him with a primary.


Why does it being four years away matter?


We're talking about DC politics. Pressuring politicians is how you get things done in DC.

Or just forcibly remove him and the rest of Congress to get shit done.

It's all fun and games until the idle talk turns into action, and then the impressionable numbskulls who kick things off are faced with picking between serving very long prison sentences or having to machine gun crowds of civilian protesters.

Besides, a coup from the left? (Center-left, you know what I mean.) In the US? Does Biden really strike you as an aspiring Pol Pot?

[Dresderstan]

And? You act like this is a first?

Why are you advocating for crazy things like this? Its as if you agree with what happened January 6th.

Because corrupt politicians who only care about themselves and their rich buddies don't care about us lowly peasants, they only care about themselves their money and their power. And fun fact, I'm the only one here who wants actual shit done through force, the time for negotiation and "peaceful cooperation" is over.

[San Lumen]

He had a primary challenge from a progressive in 2018 and won handily. Its unlikely you'd be successful in 2024.

The primary challenger wasn't supported by the president.

How do you know he's not doing that?

If he is that would be cool, I'll believe it when I see it.

Plus even if Biden takes to him he can't legally force him to do anything.

Yeah that's called negotiating.

That said, primarying him is such a stupid fucking idea. Who else is going to hold that seat, pray tell? I'd certainly much rather try the pork approach

Maybe do both? Carrot and a stick.

and the primary challenger would lose the general election. Why throw away a senate seat and potentially the majority in the Senate? What makes you think someone further to the left is going to win in one of the reddest states in the nation if a progressive nominee last year only get 27 percent of the vote in a general election?

What makes you think Biden isn't doing that?

What do you mean by carrot and a stick?

[The Marlborough]

Sometimes it seems like American politicians and business leaders want to have Labor Wars Redux.

[Senkaku]

That said, primarying him is such a stupid fucking idea. Who else is going to hold that seat, pray tell? I'd certainly much rather try the pork approach

Maybe do both? Carrot and a stick.

What the fuck purpose is the stick serving here? "If you don't do what we want, we'll cut off our nose to spite our face, and leave ourselves in the exact position we're negotiating with you to try to avoid being put in?" Not exactly a compelling threat.

[San Lumen]

https://nebraska.tv/news/local-politics ... f-nebraska

Former Nebraska congressional candidate files to start a MAGA party in the state.

[The Marlborough]

That said, primarying him is such a stupid fucking idea. Who else is going to hold that seat, pray tell? I'd certainly much rather try the pork approach, which might work, than some farcical attempt to primary him and replace him with someone further left... in West Virginia.

Ngl this is a based take and a welcome surprise.

[Kowani]

Brazos Electric Power Cooperative Inc, the oldest and largest electric cooperative in Texas filed for bankruptcy, citing a disputed $1.8 billion debt to the state’s grid operator