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San Lumen wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Sara Gideon was quite possibly the worst of all the Senate candidates, unfortunately.

How so?

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:So Manchin now runs America. Nothing can happen that he does not sign off on.

Thats the price of democracy. Perhaps Maine should have ousted Collins.

Thermodolia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Sara Gideon was quite possibly the worst of all the Senate candidates, unfortunately.

No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

Major-Tom wrote:

Ifreann wrote:So Manchin now runs America. Nothing can happen that he does not sign off on.

By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

Major-Tom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How so?

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

Ifreann wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

Major-Tom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How so?

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

Thermodolia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

Ya the democrats here in Georgia proved that the former is the way to win elections and not the later. If she had focused on getting things passed for Maine she’d be in office

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

Punished UMN wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"

hmmm

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

San Lumen wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"

hmmm

No I was saying his opponent should have kept it quiet. I would have if I was in their shoes as it was nobody's business.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ya the democrats here in Georgia proved that the former is the way to win elections and not the later. If she had focused on getting things passed for Maine she’d be in office

I wonder if the runoffs would have gone the same way if she had lost though.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I wonder if the runoffs would have gone the same way if she had lost though.

They probably still would have as you’d still need the seats from georgia to get a majority.

Ifreann wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

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San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:They probably still would have as you’d still need the seats from georgia to get a majority.

No if Collins had lost Democrats would have had 50 seats.

San Lumen wrote:

Umeria wrote:He'd vote for the bill now, in exchange for not getting primaried four years from now.

a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point? You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
No if Collins had lost Democrats would have had 50 seats.

No they wouldn’t have. They’d only have 49 because you are forgetting that the republicans lost two seats in georgia not one.

San Lumen wrote:a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point?

San Lumen wrote:You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

San Lumen wrote:If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

Major-Tom wrote:It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:At this stage I'm thinking Umeria isn't a Democrat ... really much at all.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No they wouldn’t have. They’d only have 49 because you are forgetting that the republicans lost two seats in georgia not one.

how would they not? They gained Arizona and Colorado. Sanders and King caucus with Democrats. Maine would have been 50

San Lumen wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

I agree thats not a good strategy.

Ifreann wrote:So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

what would you change?

Umeria wrote:

San Lumen wrote:a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point?

He won't win if Biden backs his opponent.

San Lumen wrote:You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

Yes! Winning a general by a small margin means he's capable of being primaried!

San Lumen wrote:If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

Because the threat of throwing away a seat gets him to vote for the $15 minimum wage.

Major-Tom wrote:It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

Did Republicans say "oh well" when they lost the House in 2018? No, they got their agenda passed anyway because they know how to wield power.

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:At this stage I'm thinking Umeria isn't a Democrat ... really much at all.

I mean I voted for Biden. I support the issues the Democrats claim to support; raising the minimum wage, stopping climate change and whatnot. I guess I break with most Democrats in that I actually want to fight for those issues.

San Lumen wrote:

Umeria wrote:He won't win if Biden backs his opponent.


Yes! Winning a general by a small margin means he's capable of being primaried!


Because the threat of throwing away a seat gets him to vote for the $15 minimum wage.


Did Republicans say "oh well" when they lost the House in 2018? No, they got their agenda passed anyway because they know how to wield power.


I mean I voted for Biden. I support the issues the Democrats claim to support; raising the minimum wage, stopping climate change and whatnot. I guess I break with most Democrats in that I actually want to fight for those issues.

why would Biden do that? He doesnt want to lose the seat.

No winning a general by a slim means the seat is competitive.

How does it get him to vote for it? The election is also four years away. a lot can change between now and then

I supported Biden too and want to fight for those issues but compromise is essential to getting anything done.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
why would Biden do that? He doesnt want to lose the seat.

No winning a general by a slim means the seat is competitive.

How does it get him to vote for it? The election is also four years away. a lot can change between now and then

I supported Biden too and want to fight for those issues but compromise is essential to getting anything done.

Dude democrats could lose the seat and still be fine come 2024. They are more than likely to gain a majority in 2022 so really they can just tell Manchin to support the raise or they’ll just dump his ass come 2023 when they get their 54-46 seat majority